T. O'Heir:
An SP or SST out of a 7.62 x 39 will very likely penetrate typical brick walls too.).
None of those rifles are accurate enough anyway.
Where do you come up with this stuff?
T. O'Heir:
An SP or SST out of a 7.62 x 39 will very likely penetrate typical brick walls too.).
None of those rifles are accurate enough anyway.
You keep posting this nonsense in every thread that mentions using a .223 for home defense, I must have seen you post this at least five or six times now. Each time we point out that you're wrong and why, and yet you keep posting this again and again.T. O'Heir said:Unless you're way out in the Boonies, no rifle cartridge is suitable for HD. Far too much penetration with any bullet.
RevolverOcelot, if you prefer the ergonomics of the AR and its pistol-grip, fine. But at defense distances, accuracy is not an issue. The Mini will hold "minute of cranium" quite well.
The AR-15 family of rifles is one of the most reliable firearms in the history of firearms. My various ARs have been the most reliable guns I've ever owned, and my M16A2 I carried in the Marine Corps was extremely reliable as long as I wasn't using old, worn-out magazines.RevolverOcelot said:I'm not satisfied with the AR15's reliability history
I'm not satisfied with the AR15's reliability history.
In a 3 March 2003 written briefing, LCdr. Gary K. Roberts, USNR recommended to RAdm. Albert M. Calland, Commander, Naval Special Warfare (NSW) Command that he upgrades his command's 5.56mm weapons to the 6.8mm cartridge. That briefing, entitled, 'Enhancement of NSW Carbine & Rifle Capability,' opens by observing:
Recent combat operations have highlighted terminal performance problems, generally manifested as failures to rapidly incapacitate opponents, during combat operations when M855 62gr. 'Green Tip' FMJ is fired from 5.56mm rifles and carbines. Failure to rapidly incapacitate armed opponents increases the risk of U.S. forces being injured or killed and jeopardizes mission success.
From a military standpoint, piston rifles are better for sustained full-auto fire because they run cooler and cleaner, which is why the Marine Corps uses a version of the HK 416 as their new squad automatic rifle. But unless you're in a home-defense situation that requires multiple thousands of rounds in a short period of time, I can't really see this as being an issue for a civilian. After all, the Army and Marine Corps have decided to stick with the direct-impingement M4/M16 for the foreseeable future, and that's because it fits the current need. None of the piston rifles tested by the Army were enough better than the M4 to justify a switch, and some were worse. And I think it's safe to say that the needs of the average civilian are less than that of the average soldier or Marine.RevolverOcelot said:What are yall's opinions about piston AR's?
As for your concern about the 5.56, keep in mind that military rounds like the M855 are chosen for their penetration. And, as a result, they tend to punch right through people, causing less damage than a typical civilian defensive round. But civilians don't usually have a need for extra penetration, in fact we often want to avoid it. So law enforcement and home-defense rounds like Hornady TAP cause a lot more damage than military 5.56 ammo while also minimizing collateral damage due to over-penetration.
That's one of the reasons why nobody recommends M855 or M193 for law enforcement or home-defense use. Check out defensive loads like Hornady TAP.RevolverOcelot said:While this is true about the M855, ballistics experts like Dr. Gary K Roberts have attested that the M193 loading (which is widely considered to be the most effective FMJ, if I'm not mistaken?) also doesn't reliably perform, and will either yaw and fragment, or punch a .22 hole.