Help the Border Patrol agents imprisoned

This is old news, but while the feeble minded are feeling sorry for the illegal drug running trash who was brought back for free hospital care after commiting a felony, take a look at these wonderful illegal pieces of human debri have done in the past.
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If that is what you think people are really upset about I think you deserve a prize for best job of missing the point.

What people are saying is that just because someone is given a gun and a badge doesn't mean they are above the law and can shoot whomever they please. Much less go out of their way to hide their crime afterwards and get away with it.

Also, it is not excusable just because they shot someone you feel deserved shooting. Has the man shot been convicted of anything yet or are most people just willing to pass judgement on him because of his skin color?
 
Compean testified

"I know it was wrong for us not to reported it "


"The agents have always been cleared "


Poor babies...mgt is mean to them when they shoot people

Any shooting investigation is going to come across as hard nosed.

You have to defend your decision to use deadly force....which is a good thing

All the (other) agents in other shootings were cleared...presumably because they followed procedure
 
Amazing

If any on this "forum" receive Government Security News, you should be aware of photographic evidence that was presented to a Congressional committee showing what appears to be uniformed members of the Mexican army, heavily armed and escorting what is believed to be drug smugglers. The article further stated that on more than one occasion uniformed personnel on the Mexican side of the border fired at law enforcement who were on our side of that same border.

Conclusion: it is not uncommon for drug smugglers to shoot at our law enforcement personnel nor can they be expected to tell the truth.

In addition, Agents Ramos and Compean are doing their time in a prison where there are many illegal alien criminals. Normally a law officer who violates the law and is convicted is placed where they are not likely to be attacked and/or murdered. A gang of those criminals attacked and brutally assaulted Ramos this past Saturday. Prison guards did nothing to stop the assault.

If you think justice has been served then so be it. I think the whole case stinks to high Heaven and I have seen juries make mistakes before.

Does anybody here actually believe that Simpson was innocent? Or do you think he got away with murder?

It is very easy for some who sit comfortably in front of a computer to pontificate on the actions of others. Unfortunately I remember quite well the treatment Vietnam vets received by both the media and people who also had no clue. I am sure that those who yelled, "Baby killer" thought they knew what they were talking about BUT THEY DID NOT! I think I see some of the same mentality here.

I tend to like quotations so I'll share one here, "It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".

John E. Lane
Charlotte, North Carolina
 
And if jury misconduct is all they have....well then...the evidence of their innocence can't be all that overwhelming
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Not quite sure I understand this, but if ther reports are correct, there would have never been a guilty verdict absent the misconduct. So, all this crap about a jury of their peers isn't applicable.
 
Something really stinks here, and it is not the Border Patrol officers.

The drug running goblin knocked over one of the two officers, and the other thinking he was going to shoot his fellow officer, opens fire.
He gets shot in the buttocks, a woman calls calls to complain he was shot in the butt, and he gets brought back across the border, get immunity from proscecution, and free health care.

The officers go to prison for failing to report a shooting, in which someone was shot in the butt.
Hmmmm, in New York city officers can unload dozens of rounds into an unarmed man, and they get a reprimand.

Conclusion, our government is run by asinine morons; and if you shoot someone make damn sure he is dead.
 
As long as we're way of course here and dealing with speculation and conjucture, how do we know that Agents Ramos and Compean we'ren't working for a rival drug smuggler?
I mean, let's just forget the fact that they were convicted by a jury of 12 in a two week trial which it seems many here have.
 
I mean, let's just forget the fact that they were convicted by a jury of 12 in a two week trial which it seems many here have.
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Lets not since in all likelihood it will be reversed on appeal. The tragedy is that they will have to spend a year in the can before the court hears it.
 
I doubt the verdict will be reversed. I have seen NO evidence that these men did not attempt to cover up the shooting.
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This isn't meant as an insult, but as a former LEO I'm surprised of how little you know about the justice system.

A reversal for jury misconduct has nothing to do with evidence presented about the coverup or anything else for that matter.
 
They'll be no reversal, the shooting was illegal, and they tried to cover it up.
They're hired to do a job and to do it right. They did it wrong and in doing so they broke the law.
Welcome to the system, gentlemen.
 
A reversal for jury misconduct has nothing to do with evidence presented about the coverup or anything else for that matter.
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A judge can discount a juror's behavior. I don't see a reveral happening.
 
This isn't meant as an insult, but as a former LEO I'm surprised of how little you know about the justice system.

A reversal for jury misconduct has nothing to do with evidence presented about the coverup or anything else for that matter.
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No offense taken but I still see nothing of importance that would call for a reversal due to jury misconduct nor for any inpropriaty on the part of the prosecution. I see lots of propagana and lots of rumors but nothing substantial.
 
No offense taken but I still see nothing of importance that would call for a reversal due to jury misconduct nor for any inpropriaty on the part of the prosecution. I see lots of propagana and lots of rumors but nothing substantial.
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I wrote this earlier in the thread and this is whats going up on appeal right now...

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Not quite. One of the issues going up on appeal right now is jury misconduct. Apparently 3 of the jurors did not think the defendants were guilty, but were told by either the foreman or another juror who misread the charge that a hung jury was not an option.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4508579

This wasn't an open and shut case as some would have us believe.
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If this is in fact true, then a reversal is clearly in order since the requisite number of jurors was not met for a guilty verdict. Seeing as how its the actual jurors themselves making the statement I'd tend to say its legitimate.


And no Hags, the judge cannot discount the conduct of jurors. In some cases he can substitute a verdict, but he can't ignore misconduct. As for the rest of what you said, please show me how the agents tried to cover up the incident?
 
I doubt you will see a reversal. Alot of jurors often feel remorse and make similar statements to the people sentenced and their representation when approached after a trial. They almost always recend these statements when they are brought in front of a judge and the persons they say told them that they had to vote guilty.

Fact is, the evidence I have seen clearly indicates guilt. I have seen nothing to make me think they are innocent.
 
Fair enough, but if what the jurors say is true, this is reversable. Remorse is far different than the facts of this case.
 
When a private citizen shoots at any person and tries to cover up the occurence of a shooting they are pretty much doomed.

LEO's who are far more aware of the legal implications of their actions, cannot expect to be given the benifit of a doubt in a shooting when they have already actively attempted to cover up and interfere with the investigation.

Nobody doubts the person shot was a piece of trash. It is also known the Mexican army is in the pay of the drug runners.

None of that changes that fact that they shot this guy in the back as he was fleeing and then attempted to cover it up. If they were concerned about being sent to jail with criminals then perhaps they should not have behaved as criminals.

The real victims here are not the officers or the drug runner. The real victims are the families of the officers. The only people those families have to blame for their plight are the officers themselves.
 
World net daily

Before coming to a conclusion, even when the trial is over, you might want to go to the above web site to get more facts.
 
Before continuing this endless debate, why dont we wait for the courts to decide.

BTW I bet many of you would be arguing against the innocence of Mumia and Hurricane LOL...every political POV has it's cause celebe neh?

WildsometimesithinkallfolksshoudlgotolawschoolAlaska
 
Why? If you've got Y number of lawyers in a room, you'll end up with either Y+1 or Yx2 number of opinions, depending on how controversial something is.
 
Why? If you've got Y number of lawyers in a room, you'll end up with either Y+1 or Yx2 number of opinions, depending on how controversial something is.
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Y+Y ( depending on how much money something is.)
 
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