This is the 21st century. Internet, TV, instant access to info and the like.. Lawsuits would surely have been in the news.
What lawsuits? No one (except reloaders) have the chance to shoot pointed bullets in a tubular magazine rifle because the ammo-makers won't make pointed bullet ammo in calibers commonly associated with tubular magazine rifles.
If a reloader decided to ignore the cautions and created an incident, how would he be able to justify a lawsuit? Who would he sue?
Seems that MILLIONS of rounds have been fired thru 30/30's and many many rounds that guys experiment with that were hot and also not the flat nose rounds as well.
The huge majority of these rounds were not pointed, nor hard-cast flat nose rounds because the 30-30 has never been loaded with such rounds from the factories.
It also isn't hard to understand why the few "experimenters" who have ignored the very common cautions against such practices and damaged a rifle and possibly themselves would have very little interest in heavily documenting the debacle they created by acting against good advice.
...all I would like to see is the 30/30 loaded to be the best it can be.
We all would--but most people would add the caveat--within the bounds of safety.
If you want pointed ammunition, Hornady LeverEvolution has a good reputation. It provides not only pointed bullets but also hotter loadings using the Hornady Light Magnum technology. There's a good argument to be made that it is the best the 30-30 can be within the bounds of safety.
If you want different pointed bullets than Hornady provides and if you can handload and have a tube-mag rifle that can tolerate higher pressures, then you can always load up what you like and restrict yourself to putting one in the tube and one in the chamber and you're good to go. Another way that you can get exactly what you want without any danger of a mag tube detonation.
There's no one trying to prevent the 30-30 from being the best it can be. But there are certainly folks who don't want to see people blowing up rifles and causing injury for lack of good advice.
Since there are a lot of you that are very opinionated that the sky will fall if a different shaped projectile is used with powders different than you use well..ok. Be happy and maybe in another hundred years things will be exactly the way they are now. And you will continue to be happy. In that same hundred years the gun technology will be exactly the same as it is today... but I doubt it.
That's pure BS. You've received several recommendations for a new development from Hornady--pointed bullet ammo that is safe in lever actions using new powder technology for added muzzle velocity. That is totally contrary to the picture that you're tryig to paint of the responses you've received.
You WANT it to be true that the responses here are just responses from people who don't embrace new technology, but nothing could be further from the truth. The negative responses are in the interest of safety--they are not motivated by a desire to keep things from changing or no one would be recommending the Hornady LeverEvolution ammo.
With countless millions of rounds fired thru this weapon...
With countless millions of rounds
carefully designed to be safe in tube magazines and a very few rounds of ammo not so designed, it's expected that we wouldn't see a lot of incidents involving mag tube detonations. It's been common knowledge for a very long time that it's dangerous so people don't need to keep tasting the egg to be sure it's still rotten.
So no, it's not strange at all. It's PRECISELY what should be expected.
As far as the recoil and spring pressure there's no way a recoil and subsequent reaction will equal a firing pin in pinpoint pressure and the quick snap taken to set off the primer.
I provided a documented incident where recoil and the subsequent reaction was sufficient to set off rounds in the magazine. And that was with the edge of a flat lead bullet, not the point of a copper jacketed bullet.
So it certainly can be enough, even if it doesn't "equal the pinpoint pressure and quick snap" at least in some calibers.
Can it be in the 30-30? You'll have to do your own experiment, I guess. It's obvious that there's a market for pointed bullet 30-30 ammo or Hornady wouldn't be making it. If there was a safe way to make pointed bullet ammo without the soft flexible tips, it's pretty clear that someone would be selling it. The fact that they're not should tell you something.
Oh.. I forgot. just leave everything the way its been for over a hundred years. Get rid of the new tip.
Nobody but you is making statements like this. The Hornady ammunition is a relatively new, and revolutionary development and I don't think you've heard a single negative comment about it on this thread.
There's no one implying that we should stick with the way things were 100 years ago, just that changes need to be made with an eye to safety--just as Hornady did with their new ammunition.
This reference is even more vague than before since we don't know if its even a lever action...
So, what's the list of non-lever action rifles approved for use in CAS?
What you're doing is your best to discount any information that goes contrary to your initial premise. That's not how you find out the truth, that's how you keep from changing your mind.
Sorry guys.. I just need SOMETHING in writing from a qualified source.
There is no source that you will accept as qualified because you've already made up your mind that you're right. You've already said that you believe it's impossible. How could someone provide you with evidence of something that you already believe is impossible?
No offense intended for anyone but no one has provided anything to change my mind that these incidents occurred...
I seriously doubt that anyone will. No offense, but if you were really approaching this topic with an open mind you could have easily found the truth without any help by doing some research on your own.
