Gun show carry ban??? Support or not?

Do you support the prohibition on loaded firearms inside an organized gun show? Why?

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Playboypenguin

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People talk about this subject from time to time but I was unable to find a poll regarding the topic. My question is....

Do you support the prohibition on loaded firearms inside an organized gun show and why or why not?

I personally have no problem with loaded firearms not being allowed inside. In an environment where people are showing their guns and removing them to test holster fit it is just a good idea to make sure all the guns are unloaded. The main reason I am okay with this particular safety measure in this environment is because of the extreme amount of security that is provided to you while you are unarmed. LEO's and security officers abound.
 
Yes.
1. Way too many idiots in too tight a space.
2. The reason you carry is to protect yourself. I've never heard of any incident in a gun show that would warrant drawing your weapon in self defense - nor would I ever expect to hear of one.
 
I agree with what Doyle said....its a nessicery evil because of the number of people, carelessness, mental illness, stupidity etc. We have the loaded gun ban on all the gun shows in Dallas / Ft.worth and we still have had two accidental discharges at shows held in the Will Rodgers complex in 16 months.

There are folks out there that would slip a cartridge into a gun on display and walk away, hopeing to cause a trajedy...thats why the plastic zip ties on everything now.
 
No, the answer is punishment severe enough to discourage stupidity.

Like posting signs about strictly enforced rules of not unholstering a carry gun at risk of instant and permanent banishment from gun shows state-wide.


Punishing stupidity by restricting those who are not is called rights infringement.
 
No, the answer is punishment severe enough to discourage stupidity.
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The punishment for accidently killing someone is not severe at all. if it is truly and accident...so I do not think that reasoning applies at all.
 
Yes.......

1) I've been muzzle swept enough at shows to be thankful (hopeful?) that the guns were unloaded..........:mad:...........more often than not by vendors trying to demonstrate the cool factor of their gun to make a sale........

2) Were it not the case, the show promoters would likely not be able to get insurance coverage for the event, forcing the end to gunshows.......:(
 
The punishment for accidently killing someone is not severe at all.
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That's my point.
Admittedly, it goes beyond the scope of gun shows but the punishment for accidently killing someone SHOULD BE severe, when it's negligence.

Even when there is no discharge of the weapon though, instant and permanent banishment would quickly get the message across that you don't pull your CCW so you can twirl it around your finger or check if it fits a holster.

After a few people are banished, word gets around. The idiots either don't show up or at least comply long enough to keep everyone else safe.
 
Well pete, how do you propose we carry out a bann on an "idiot"? create the gun show equivelent of a no fly list, and check all ID against the list before admitance? That would sure cheese off everybody in a short time.

Do we have the offenders forehead tatooed, and ban caps and bandanas at gun shows? Inject an RFID chip and scan everybody for the presense of one?
 
There's plenty of physical/safety/logical reasons to support such a rule/policy; but that isn't why I support it.

I support it because it is a private property even. (Even if it's being held on public property, an organization is leasing space/time and for that period of time, I consider it Private. Similar to RENTING an apartment or office space) And as such; I believe that the property owner has the RIGHT to set any rule/policy they want to; so long as it is a rule/policy that applies to EVERYONE. I.e. They can't set a policy that says no blacks, no hispanics, no gays, no women, etc... But a rule/policy that is not innate to the person themselves and applies to all, is totally acceptable. And that's because i am NOT FORCED to go onto that property. I am there totally by choice. And I can choose to NOT go to the gun show if I don't want to disarm. Same if my neighbor tells me they don't want me to carry on their property. Same if a restaurant or any private business says the same thing. I can choose to go or not to go into the establishment. It is MY CHOICE.

Other than that; there are a lot of PHYSICAL reasons such as safety to be for it; but that isn't my mane reason. I believe that because I don't OWN the property; and I am not FORCED to go onto the property; that I don't have a RIGHT to carry a weapon there. It's a privilege. And if the owner/leaser wants to revoke that "Privilege"; then that is their right.
 
In many cases, you can't rent a venue to have a gun show without insurance. If you know of an insurance company willing to bear the risk of a gun show that allows loaded firearms under any conditions, let me know and I will start recommending them to the gun shows I know of.
 
Well pete, how do you propose we carry out a bann on an "idiot"? create the gun show equivelent of a no fly list, and check all ID against the list before admitance? That would sure cheese off everybody in a short time.
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Check ID before admittance? Well.... yes, since the show already does if you're bringing your own gun...... A $50 surplus Dell and a magnetic strip reader would easily monitor the list, in no more time than it takes now.
 
Yes, there should be no loaded firearms inside a gun show - too many idiots and kids running amok. I have been to some where the DEALER had a loaded gun on display and didn't know it, until it went off into the ceiling....too many chances for too many things to happen - all bad....and that's the LAST thing we need in this current political climate.

If you don't feel safe walking around a gun show without worrying about being attacked, your tinfoil hat is on a tad too tight.....:rolleyes:
 
If you don't feel safe walking around a gun show without worrying about being attacked, your tinfoil hat is on a tad too tight.....
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Do we only carry guns because we're worried about being attacked? Or is it more fundamental than that....

How about this one.... I carry every day, everywhere. I have never been attacked, no one I know has ever been attacked, I know of no single incident of SD firearms use within many miles of my location.... EVER. I carry to the store, when I go to church, at work, in the yard, driving to the gun show..... but when I get there I have to leave my gun in the car.... in case I might, all of a sudden, get stupid because of the smell of gun oil or something.

Idiots do idiotic things. Punish the idiots, not everyone else.
 
Idiots do idiotic things. Punish the idiots, not everyone else.
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So there should be no speed limits in school zones...we should just punish the offenders after they mow down a bunch of kids? There should be no law requiring anyone to stop for a school bus...we should just punish anyone that fails to do so after they kill your child through negligence?
 
So there should be no speed limits in school zones...we should just punish the offenders after they mow down a bunch of kids? There should be no law requiring anyone to stop for a school bus...we should just punish anyone that fails to do so after they kill your child through negligence?
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Should we ban CARS in school zones? Because that's the real analogy. No, we don't ban cars, we say "Don't do XYZ", in this case drive over 15 mph.

Same thing, we don't ban guns, we ban their removal from a holster in a non-emergency situation.


Notice the nasty fines that keep almost everyone from being stupid in a school zone? Yep, same thing with a gun.
 
Should we ban CARS in school zones? Because that's the real analogy
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No, because varying levels of necessity are present in those analogies. Therefore the first analogy is more appropriate.

Not having a car would severely impact your ability to perform normal activities. Unloading your CCW before entering a gunshow has no such impact.
 
The punishment for accidentally killing someone is not severe at all.
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+1 to that. If you kill somebodies kid because you pull out your "trade gun" and touch a round off... what punishment will make up for the lost life? No way.

If people as a whole were more responsible with guns and followed basic common safety then I'd say yes. Long as I'm being swept by guns at the range and at the gun store I'm not inclined to believe it's caught on yet!
 
Just because there is little chance of a robbery at a gun show does NOT mean that a small gunshow could not be robbed. I was at a gun show recently where 3 armed men could have easily robbed the show. Think about this...if its small enough AND the robbers know that no one is allowed to be armed they may think its worth a shot. There should be rules about it, like perhaps they cannot pull out the gun without unloading it first, etc etc. I disagree with a ban for everyone even though I understand where the people for the ban are coming from. I just have a problem with blanket statements "all gunshows" and "total ban". At bigger shows, I agree that the chance of crime is very small but what about the 10 to 20 table places out in the country? If the land owner insitutes it, then by all means it should be followed and enforced but do I think that ANY and EVERY gun show makes ANY CCW more DANGEROUS than helpful? No I do not. Its the same argument of the glock safeties vs 1911 safeties. I'm not Plaxico Burress so I should have the right if I want, if the owner is conducive of course.
 
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Should we ban CARS in school zones? Because that's the real analogy. No, we don't ban cars, we say "Don't do XYZ", in this case drive over 15 mph.

Same thing, we don't ban guns, we ban their removal from a holster in a non-emergency situation.


Notice the nasty fines that keep almost everyone from being stupid in a school zone? Yep, same thing with a gun.
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No fine, punishment, etc can bring back somebody shot by an idiot who didn't check the chamber first. In the same way no fine or punishment can bring back a kid run over by somebody doing 75MPH in a school zone.

Banning cars in school zones would create a much bigger problem than banning gun show carry. Hmmmm having to leave my gun at home when heading to a gun show versus having to park 4 blocks away due to a school zone when dropping my kid off?
 
Well, I guess it's all based on "convenience" and "necessity" which is, of course, defined by those who want to restrict whatever the topic might be.


Ban guns at gun shows because you don't need it and somebody might do something stupid, ban guns in police departments, court houses, federal buildings, etc, because you don't need them and somebody might do something stupid, ban guns at "large public gatherings" because they're well controlled, you don't need a gun and somebody might do something stupid, ban guns in bars and other places that serve alcohol because somebody might do something stupid..... seeing a pattern here? Anyone?
 
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