Gun safes?

625...

You're fixated on a moot point that I never even made. I've reiterated the same thing over and over... When did I ever say they did not use carbon steel. I never said that....

Besides, I am correct. In their best selling safes, which were a few hundred dollars more than, but also in the dollar range of the Sturdy safe I bought, THEY DO USE 10 AND 12 GAUGE STEEL wheras Sturdy uses 7 and 8 gauge steel.

Apparently you are fixated on this and your fixation has caused you to fail to comprehend the point.....

PLEASE DO US ALL A FAVOR. Find an exact quote of one of my alleged lies that YOU CAN PROVE IS INCORRECT. The post that information for all of us to see. If you can't this discussion and your name calling is over.
 
The Sturdy safes look pretty nice. The one thing they say on their site that I disagree with is that the door on a safe should seal. I have always used GoldenRods in my safes and they REQUIRE good air circulation. I suppose I could get used to using rechargable dessicant packs in a sealed safe, but the GoldenRods are just too easy and foolproof.

Oh well, I just went back to the site... :( ...shipping would not be cheap for me...they're in California.

John
 
I'm buying a 34 cubic foot fire lined safe (about 29 cubic feet interior) with 8 guage steel
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whereas the 7 gauge steel that MY safe is made of cannot.
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Do you even know what you own, or are you just a crappy salesperson. One of these statements is a lie.

Liberty safe is 10 gauge steel (some models are less with 12 guage), 3.571875mm thick.
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You didn't say SOME Liberty safes are 10 gauge. This could be construed as a lie.


Liberties BEST safes are only 10 gauge steel.
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Well, we know that's a lie, now don't we. Even you finally admitted it.

Thinner gauge metal, such as 10 or 12 gauge, can be punched through with a fireax or screwdriver
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Like I said, you know NOTHING about metal. Your fireaxe theory is only speculation unless you have proof. You KNOW you are lying about the screwdriver. That is complete bs.

I'll ask this again since you never answer any of my questions. You seem to have info that their website doesn't list. Where did you get this bogus info?

Also, something people might want to keep in mind. Who the heck has heard of Sturdy? Why should anyone trust this tiny, little known company? What happens if they go out of business in a year or two?

If you just stated that sturdy makes a great safe for the money, and left it at that, you would have no problems. But you had to go ahead and bash other companies with lies and speculation.
 
625:
In answer to you exceptional pettiness:

I originally was going to purchase an 8 gauge steel safe which would not be available for two weeks (because they are a small company, they only have a few on hand and it takes up to 10 days to fire line it. However, the price of the 7 gauge was very attractive and they had one available immediately with fire lining. That’s not a lie, I simply bought a slightly different product.

I stated that some Liberty safes are 10 gauge and some are 12. That’s completely accurate. What are you smoking?

When I was referring to Liberties BEST safes, it was implied that I was talking about safes they make within the same ballpark price range. READ BETWEEN THE LINES! Sure, you CAN get thicker steel safe IF YOU WANT TO SPEND $4000!

I’ll bet you that I can punch through a 10 or 12 gauge steel with a fireaxe right here right now. Pony UP or sit down!

Sturdy is a small company that’s been making safes for nearly 50 years. They spend their money on product development, not advertising. They probably have smaller profit margins because they don’t sell junk safes with thin metal, cheap locks, and drywall fireboard for fire insulation. I’m guessing that the reason that the Liberties of the world make such huge profits is that because they sell in volume and their safes are rarely put to the test with fires or burglaries. So, for most instances they are probably fine for generations or small fires. But if they are put to the test, will your property inside survive?

What does happen if Sturdy goes out of business tomorrow? I’ll have a better safe for less money than you could buy with twice what I spent if you shop at Liberty, that’s what! It’s more rugged, thicker steel, better lock, and significantly better fireproofing.

What happens when YOU have a total burn down and ALL of your valuables and irreplaceable items are RUINED because your safe failed?? What exactly is Liberties’ warranty, anyway. LIBERTY’S website information for warranty says “Site UNDER CONSTRUCTION!” Not really a confidence builder, is it?
 
You can't even admit that you lie.

You are a troll.

If you rely on your safe that much, you are an idiot.
I can afford insurance. This is what people need in case of a fire, or theft. No safe is "fire proof" or "theft-proof"'.

Anything in any safe is just a material item that I could live without.

Are you done bashing? I guess not.
 
FWIW, rather than argue about which safe might be better at withstanding an attack, why not look to the people that test it for a living - Underwriters Labs. The UL rating of a safe (not just the locking mechanism) is good indicator of how well a safe will hold up to a attack. Most big name gun safes like Liberty, AMSEC, Fort Knox, etc. have a RSC rating by UL. Some better ones carry a TL-15 or TL-30 rating. The Sturdy Safe certainly looks sturdier, but I didn't see any UL rating on the Sturdy Safe site. My guess is that like the Liberty they also hold an RSC rating, so while one may be slightly stronger than the other, the difference would be minimal in terms of additional security under a real attack.

Here's a summary of the UL rating system and what it means in order of increasing security:

Theft resistant - This rating means the safe provides a combination lock and minimal theft protection.

Residential Security Container rating (RSC) - This UL rating is based on testing conducted for a net working time of five minutes, on all sides, with a range of tools.

TL-15 rating - The TL-15 rating means the safe has been tested for a net working time of 15 minutes using high speed drills, saws and other sophisticated penetrating equipment.

TL-30 rating - A product carrying the TL-30 security label has been tested for a net working time of 30 minutes with the same types of tools mentioned above.

TL-30 x 6 - The TL-30 (30-minute) test is conducted on all six (6) sides of the safe.

TRTL-30 - The TRTL rating designates a safe which successfully resisted 30 minutes of net working time with a torch and a range of tools which might include high speed drills and saws with carbide bits, pry bars, and other impact devices.
 
From Sturdy's website:

http://www.sturdysafe.com/sturdy_002.htm

"Sturdy Fire Safes are made with a first layer of heavy steel (7 or 8 gage). The second layer consists of a 2300 deg. U.L. listed ceramic wool. The third layer is a U.L. listed 1000 deg. glass blanket. The fourth layer consists an inside sealed steel liner. Which compresses the two insulating blankets to a total thickness of two inches or more throughout the safe."
 
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That sounds great, and I agree that the Sturdy Safe sounds better, but UL will give an overall rating to a safe based upon its resistance to specific attacks under a limited working time frame. The strength and rating of the materials is important, but when a thief breaks into your home what counts is how long it will take him to enter the safe through its weakest point, not the thickness or strength of the component materials. Certainly 7 gauge is thicker than 10 gauge, but if they're both rated as RSC, a thief could enter it in 5 minutes net working time or less.
 
Hi lead

I can see that 625 has gone undercover and not confronted you.

Look's like the gig is up better change your name and come back as a different person. You are toast buddy.

Did I tell you I did not believe you? How do I know these things. Training
I guess?

Were you planning to try to keep this under wraps or do you feel everyone does not read.

Actually I felt you had some good points until you started calling me name's and others the same. Sorry dude you are toast. I said that HMMM gettin old.

By the way I wanted to ask you when the guy is on the other side of your steel door scenerio, how many of those 00 buck do you think stayed on your side and rattled around your house? :p

Edit: By the way I have a Cemco safe very heavy and very strong but it does not have a good fire rating...So it is enclosed in a very heavily drywalled numerous pieces both sides of the walls 5/8 drywall. I am not sure at the time of this writting if they even make them any longer. One of my favorite colors, Purple. Bud and Lou are my sentries.

Harley
 
Shaggy,
good question. I don't know if the Sturdy has a UL rating. I DO know that it has a commercial Grade S&G combo lock, so lock picking is not an option.

My safe has a recessed door to prevent prying it open, so that's not an option, and it's thicker steel than the rest of the safe.

My safe has many 1 inch deadbolts on the sides, so that's not an option.

The handle is not an attack option either. excessive force on the handle will not open the door.

I'm extremely confident that a safe cracker isn't going to be able to crack the combo, cut, pry, or pound his way into my safe.
 
Any safe can be cracked.

A circular abrasive cut off saw like the kind the use on railroad ties can and will open almost all safes. Question is, can the robber safely do that without damaging contents and without tipping off neighbors?

A welder's pasma cutter can also open them....but more risk of damaging contents. (also harder to tote around)
 
Sturdy safe pictures:

Since these pictures I've put on the decals that came with the safe to "dress it up" alittle bit.

Edit: Oopps... the files were too large. Sorry no pics at the moment.
 
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