Gun Range Sued

Times are changing....even the Ladies will be wearing "Green Jackets" at Augusta.
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Huh? I don't understand, shooting jackets are available in all sorts of colors and materials. What's up with green ones? Do you mean the green USMC canvas style (which are hard as the dickins to find!)?
 
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Times are changing....even the Ladies will be wearing "Green Jackets" at Augusta.
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1858, it isn't a gun thing, it is a golf thing. Women were just recently allowed to become members at Augusta National Golf Club, home of the Masters golf tournament (a major), where membership had been restricted to men.


(Green Jackets are given to those who win a Masters, and members of Augusta National Golf Club...and it is not a shooting jacket)

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It's been decades in VT since 'Ladies Night' was legal in any venue...Or 'Happy Hour' for that matter...

And we don't ask anyone's permission to carry open or concealed...
 
It's been decades in VT since 'Ladies Night' was legal in any venue...Or 'Happy Hour' for that matter...
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Are you *sure* that "Ladies' Night" is an illegal practice in Vermont? I'm finding lots of businesses there doing it.

I was able to confirm that "Happy Hour" was illegal, but only because the lawmakers claim it encourages excessive alcohol consumption, not because it involves discriminatory pricing.
 
The fact a lot of people are doing it doesn't mean that it's not gender discrimination, and doesn't mean that it's legal. It only means that nobody has complained about it before.
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You mean we can't discriminate between pronouns?
 
I was able to confirm that "Happy Hour" was illegal, but only because the lawmakers claim it encourages excessive alcohol consumption, not because it involves discriminatory pricing.
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That falls under a different set of circumstances, however. Abolishing Happy Hour for, say, Belgians, might be discriminatory. Abolishing it for everybody isn't.

After extensive, hard-hitting, first-hand research on the subject, I found that Happy Hour is still permitted in my jurisdiction. The judge let me off with time served and community service. I was also required to reimburse the Mayor for his garden gnomes, whose honor I had apparently "so thoroughly besmirched" in the words of the court.
 
A bar in Pensacola used to have "Men Are Pigs" night. Men had to pay a cover charge, and were given a little rubber pig. Women competed to obtain the largest collection of pigs.

Looking back on it, I just feel used... Ok, not really. And no, I wouldn't support an anti-discrimination suit against it.

As far as this thread goes, I blame this stupid case on a few factors:

1) The American public has gone off the deep end with regard to political correctness;
2) Unethical lawyers bring stupid lawsuits if there's any chance of making a dime (note I am not calling all lawyers unethical); and, possibly most important
3) Judges don't seem to use their discretion to quash stupid cases with prejudice nearly as often as they should.
 
Are you *sure* that "Ladies' Night" is an illegal practice in Vermont? I'm finding lots of businesses there doing it.

"Ladies Night" is perfectly legal...

As long as you charge the same for everyone, you can call it whatever you like...

I call it 'Tuesday', and the drinks/admission are the same price for everyone, or you are breaking the law...

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Just did Google of vermont "ladie's night" and come up with exactly one 'club' in Burlington that has a promotion that they are saying "No covcer for ladies and $3 cover for gentlemen"...

I will check with my friendly 'Establishment Owner' this afternoon, and get back...He has complained on more than one occasion to me that he is not allowed to run promotions like this unless he does it for the entire day (Happy Hour Law), and that he charges the same for all (DISCRIMINATION; PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS Statute)...

http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/fullsection.cfm?Title=09&Chapter=139&Section=04502
 
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I found more than that - I searched "Vermont 'ladies night' discount". Most of what I found were free or reduced cover charges at clubs, but there were a lot of places doing entire events just for women (places like motorcycle dealerships and snowboarding shops), including free/discounted equipment, and even free alcohol.

I just read the "Public Accommodations" statute you linked to, and it's all standard stuff, the same you'd find in any state's statutes. There's nothing in there that would prevent someone from offering a promotional discount based on a customer's sex.

Your "friendly establishment" owner might just be dealing with someone who doesn't understand the law, and has just decided it's not worth it to press the issue.
 
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Gee, and all this time I thought it was called "sexual discrimination".
Gender is usually a term used with words, not people.
 
IMO: The guy who sued that range is looking for a payday. The purpose of the discount was to encourage ladies to become involved in shooting and self defense.
 
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I found more than that - I searched "Vermont 'ladies night' discount". Most of what I found were free or reduced cover charges at clubs, but there were a lot of places doing entire events just for women (places like motorcycle dealerships and snowboarding shops), including free/discounted equipment, and even free alcohol.
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Just got off the phone with a nice lady at the 'Investigations' 800 number...She assured me that 'Ladies Night' specials based on 'gender' are indeed illegal here in Vermont...I asked for chapter and verse, and she gave me the name and number for the County investigator...

No answer, so I eMailed him instead of leaving a message in such a trivial matter...

I'll post when I hear back...

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Never said I agreed with the law...I think it's pretty silly actually, but it has been that way so long here most don't remember 'Happy Hour' or "Ladies Night"...
 
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You know the sad thing is that the range could have avoided being sued by having a similar men's day, but they did not.

Funny thing, even the terminology is sexist.
A Maryland man has filed a lawsuit against an area gun range claiming "reverse sexism."
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- from the article cited in post#4

If the act favors men, it is sexism. If it favors women, reverse sexism. This, despite the infraction being the same act. If a man rapes a woman, it is rape, but if a woman rapes a man, is it reverse rape? Of course not. There really is no reverse sexism.
 
Whats BS about this lawsuit is that the range DOES offer a discount to military and security and police officers. The guy filing the lawsuit is a "special police" official. He would have been entitled to a shooting discount. But he wants a FREE day at the range instead.
 
Whats BS about this lawsuit is that the range DOES offer a discount to military and security and police officers. The guy filing the lawsuit is a "special police" official. He would have been entitled to a shooting discount. But he wants a FREE day at the range instead.
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Thanks for the rest of the story.
 
Whats BS about this lawsuit is that the range DOES offer a discount to military and security and police officers. The guy filing the lawsuit is a "special police" official. He would have been entitled to a shooting discount. But he wants a FREE day at the range instead.
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Maybe, maybe not. The article describes him as a "special police officer", which is another way of saying "private security guard". Maybe he was denied the police officer discount and this is really what the lawsuit is all about - who knows?
 
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