BerettaCougar
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Nah no need.
Youre not open all the way yet...a flower in half bloom.
Your mind will open in a few weeks.
Youre not open all the way yet...a flower in half bloom.
Your mind will open in a few weeks.
gun control poll
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Beretta Cougar:
The question I suppose is what would you support? Whether it is a concession you would make- I've heard at least one gunowner say they'd give money to the NRA if they'd just go along with the AWB so we wouldn't look like a bunch of crazies- Or maybe you feel some form of licensing or registration is a good idea. Or maybe you think there is a certain type of gun no one needs.
459:
The question I suppose is what would you support? Whether it is a concession you would make- I've heard at least one gunowner say they'd give money to the NRA if they'd just go along with the AWB so we wouldn't look like a bunch of crazies- Or maybe you feel some form of licensing or registration is a good idea. Or maybe you think there is a certain type of gun no one needs.
459:
I agree. That guy should be in prison, and no one should be allowed to own a gun in prison.
BerettaCougar
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Tanks are pretty cool.
Imagine if the victims of Waco had tanks, and were able to repel such an invasion.
Imagine if the victims of Waco had tanks, and were able to repel such an invasion.
BerettaCougar
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Wayne, I think....
Gun ownership should be a PERSONAL opinion..
As to what type of gun???? whatever you can afford.
And these are free market prices, not government adjusted beyond current state tax..
No reason why an m16 costs...15 thousand damned dollars
Or an mp5 about the same...
People buy good safe cars to protect themselves better...
People that can buy Big Cadillacs instead of a little Civic, for the same reasons we buy bigger better guns.
Safety, Protection, Reliability, Comfort...etc....
Gun ownership should be a PERSONAL opinion..
As to what type of gun???? whatever you can afford.
And these are free market prices, not government adjusted beyond current state tax..
No reason why an m16 costs...15 thousand damned dollars
Or an mp5 about the same...
People buy good safe cars to protect themselves better...
People that can buy Big Cadillacs instead of a little Civic, for the same reasons we buy bigger better guns.
Safety, Protection, Reliability, Comfort...etc....
459, please respond to posts #13 and 15...
I'm interested in your defense of licensing, as to why it is good, and what it can possibly accomplish, and why that might be more important than the rights it may end up trampling.
And the shotgun under 18"... how is it that you have an NFA shotgun? IS it an NFA shotgun? I thought they had to be over 18" in barrel length alone...
-blackmind
I'm interested in your defense of licensing, as to why it is good, and what it can possibly accomplish, and why that might be more important than the rights it may end up trampling.
And the shotgun under 18"... how is it that you have an NFA shotgun? IS it an NFA shotgun? I thought they had to be over 18" in barrel length alone...
-blackmind
Now, what kind of fun would it be if we kept our opinions personal?
I don't want to see people fighting over it, of course. Mostly, I want to compare results to a similar poll on a more left-leaning site.
I left out the "total gun prohibition" choice out here for lack of space. Besides, someone here would get smart-alecky and choose it.
I don't want to see people fighting over it, of course. Mostly, I want to compare results to a similar poll on a more left-leaning site.
I left out the "total gun prohibition" choice out here for lack of space. Besides, someone here would get smart-alecky and choose it.
Garand Illusion
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Suuure. That's what the Waco whako's needed. Armored vehicles. Then they could have murdered more LEO's doing their job that day and serving a warrant/following orders.
If you've got a problem with a legal infringement/warrant, that's what lawyers are for.
It makes me sick that so many children died. But parents who would not put the safety of their children ahead of killing cops over their their crazy ideas (which, again, should defended in court and not with bullets) are not missed from the world ...
Garand Illusion
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I've already jumped in the fire ... might as well prepare for a napalm bath.
I would support a gun owners ID card, which would be a "Shall Issue" to anyone who has taken a small amount of training in gun safety/storage/etc. This card would be good for life, and cost no more than a minimal fee (which would be restricted by law to keep anti's from pricing out the non-elite).
Once you had this card ... virtually no further restrictions. You could carry anywhere you wanted, open or concealed, and buy as many guns as you wanted. If you wanted to cut a shotgun down ... no problem. make a special weapon of some kind? As loing as you're legal to own a firearm, do it up!
Why? To at least give a level of safety training to everyone before they can buy a weapon.
Before colorado had a "hunter safety" card program, forcing hunters to take a minimal safety class, there were numerous accidental hunter shootings per year. We've had that program in place for about 30 years now, though, and now there are many years when there are no accidental shootings.
Forcing everyone to get a license to buy/own/carry a gun, but not restricting it, and not registering/tracking the guns themselves, would do nothing to infringe upon the right of American's to own firearms.
Slam on me if you well, but if the above standard were applied nation wide, just about every state out there would be way better off than it is now.
I would support a gun owners ID card, which would be a "Shall Issue" to anyone who has taken a small amount of training in gun safety/storage/etc. This card would be good for life, and cost no more than a minimal fee (which would be restricted by law to keep anti's from pricing out the non-elite).
Once you had this card ... virtually no further restrictions. You could carry anywhere you wanted, open or concealed, and buy as many guns as you wanted. If you wanted to cut a shotgun down ... no problem. make a special weapon of some kind? As loing as you're legal to own a firearm, do it up!
Why? To at least give a level of safety training to everyone before they can buy a weapon.
Before colorado had a "hunter safety" card program, forcing hunters to take a minimal safety class, there were numerous accidental hunter shootings per year. We've had that program in place for about 30 years now, though, and now there are many years when there are no accidental shootings.
Forcing everyone to get a license to buy/own/carry a gun, but not restricting it, and not registering/tracking the guns themselves, would do nothing to infringe upon the right of American's to own firearms.
Slam on me if you well, but if the above standard were applied nation wide, just about every state out there would be way better off than it is now.
I have to question the idea of a LEO who will accept the order to drive a battering-ram-type vehicle into the side of a building known to be occupied by children; ditto for firing CS gas inside said building.
We can do without that kind of LEO, whaddya say?
Now, about a "Universal F.O.I.D." yeah, it sounds like a good idea, but like any licensing/registration scheme, it can be taken away by legislative, judicial, or executive fiat. I mean, just like any other registration scheme, who do you think they'd come for first? The people who had obtained the FOID card, of course. And once again, the power to license is the power to deny. How would you be able to stop the government from one day voting to make the qualifications impossibly hard?
(Of course, that same criticism can be applied to any CURRENT system of shall-issue.)
-blackmind
That's an excellent point. The notion of punishing the majority for the misdeeds of the few is anathema to liberty, and it is self-defeating.
What incentive is there for good people to act within the rules and the laws if they come to realize that they will be punished as though they had broken the laws even when they had not??
This kind of thing happens at work. This one dumb fat cow ruined her keyboard by getting crumbs in it (she never stops shoving food into her fat, dumb face), and so what did the morons in management do? Instead of punishing her, since she was the only one who had screwed up, they told ALL of us we couldn't eat at our desks anymore!
Makes soooo much sense, right? And so all they got was a lot of sneaking around to eat when no one was looking; and everybody resented management.
-blackmind
What incentive is there for good people to act within the rules and the laws if they come to realize that they will be punished as though they had broken the laws even when they had not??
This kind of thing happens at work. This one dumb fat cow ruined her keyboard by getting crumbs in it (she never stops shoving food into her fat, dumb face), and so what did the morons in management do? Instead of punishing her, since she was the only one who had screwed up, they told ALL of us we couldn't eat at our desks anymore!
Makes soooo much sense, right? And so all they got was a lot of sneaking around to eat when no one was looking; and everybody resented management.-blackmind
No, I've never said that I don't consider that a problem.
But then, those were never considered weapons useful in self defense, and those are weapons that cannot be used under direct fire, that is, they cannot be used to single out a specific person as a target. I believe that would be the reasonable test of whether we should be able to have various weapons.
And yes, I believe that we should have access to explosive grenades. Misuse of them, or threatening with them, would be punishable by swift execution, to deter those who might try holding up banks, etc. with them. I'm talkin' "The whole country would be amazed at how swiftly and brutally they were executed" kinda execution. The mamsy-pamsy, take-three-decades-to-think-about-your-crime-before-we-execute-you, scumbag crap that passes for a death penalty right now is not what I am envisioning. I'm talking about society-finally-decides-to-get-tough-and-protect-itself kinda death penalty.
Without "serious" weaponry, it is true that we would have only the tiny spark of an ability to revolt against an oppressive government. Sure, with our rifles and stuff we would eventually capture some military ordnance, and gradually grow in power that way (think Warsaw Ghetto), but why start out so far behind the 8-ball?
-blackmind
But then, those were never considered weapons useful in self defense, and those are weapons that cannot be used under direct fire, that is, they cannot be used to single out a specific person as a target. I believe that would be the reasonable test of whether we should be able to have various weapons.
And yes, I believe that we should have access to explosive grenades. Misuse of them, or threatening with them, would be punishable by swift execution, to deter those who might try holding up banks, etc. with them. I'm talkin' "The whole country would be amazed at how swiftly and brutally they were executed" kinda execution. The mamsy-pamsy, take-three-decades-to-think-about-your-crime-before-we-execute-you, scumbag crap that passes for a death penalty right now is not what I am envisioning. I'm talking about society-finally-decides-to-get-tough-and-protect-itself kinda death penalty.
Without "serious" weaponry, it is true that we would have only the tiny spark of an ability to revolt against an oppressive government. Sure, with our rifles and stuff we would eventually capture some military ordnance, and gradually grow in power that way (think Warsaw Ghetto), but why start out so far behind the 8-ball?
-blackmind
blackmind, sorry for the delay in responding. Had to go home and cook some dinner..had enough work for the day..
Grand illusion pretty much summed up my point of view.
A license with a compulsory safety course...to me sounds like a good idea.
I dont find it unreasonable that if this license system was used with a very minimal fee and prevented criminals or crazies from being able to openly legally purchase or owning and yet..... at the same time didnt stop law abiding people from owning, buying any small arm they wanted, or carrying.. then would it really be infringing on your rights?
Look at it like this..
If it allows you to buy a gun and pack it for personal defence, and you are forced to take a firearm safety course and this stops you from shooting your foot off...is it really such a horrible idea?
Grand illusion pretty much summed up my point of view.
A license with a compulsory safety course...to me sounds like a good idea.
I dont find it unreasonable that if this license system was used with a very minimal fee and prevented criminals or crazies from being able to openly legally purchase or owning and yet..... at the same time didnt stop law abiding people from owning, buying any small arm they wanted, or carrying.. then would it really be infringing on your rights?
Look at it like this..
If it allows you to buy a gun and pack it for personal defence, and you are forced to take a firearm safety course and this stops you from shooting your foot off...is it really such a horrible idea?
Wildalaska
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Im in the reasonable law area, which can include license
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BerettaCougar
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WildAlaska..
Responsibilities, correct...
Commit murder?
Draw the weapon for no reason?
Put others (people that arent a direct threat) in harms way?
Sure punish THEM! NOT ME, NOT YOU!!!
People don't kill people, animals that deserve to be locked away do.
People deserve full right to defend themselves from such animals.
Responsibilities, correct...
Commit murder?
Draw the weapon for no reason?
Put others (people that arent a direct threat) in harms way?
Sure punish THEM! NOT ME, NOT YOU!!!
People don't kill people, animals that deserve to be locked away do.
People deserve full right to defend themselves from such animals.
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