granny gets tasered. when will people learn?

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There are 3 types of People that want to be in Law Enforcement:

1. The Bully. Who just wants the power to keep on being a bully.

2. The kid that got pushed around in school, in life. He just wants the power to push back.

3. Honest, hard working folks that actually want to make a difference.


Too bad that the number 3 type is in the minority these days.
 
Jcoiii, excellent post.

It would appear that the force continuum was followed -what departmental guidelines & procedures he had to follow are unclear.

Traffic stops - placing someone under arrest - following a officers verbal commands is essential for officer safety as well as the person that's detained. It has nothing to do with "fearing the police" or any other such nonsense. These "what if" scenarios that are subjected to our review have no relevance to the facts at hand. This is the way THIS officer chose to deal with it - period.

All the Us vs.Them banter has no place in the current discussion and is totally irrelevant in any form. It would seem that it serves asa smokescreen for those with some type of personal agenda that the facts won't support.

12-34hom.
 
Often what is at the heart of the matter in threads like this is "thinly veiled LEO bashing".

When it comes down to it, can anyone say they've seen a use of force that "looks good"?

Use of Force by it's very nature does not look good. Baton deployment, physical take downs, physical holds, Pain Compliance holds, NONE of them "look good".

Appeals to emotion are held up as "See, there!"

This thread has unfortunately, once again degraded to the "usual".

TBO
 
Yes, I have seen a use of force that was needed, and legal. This one in this thead is not one of those.
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Still didn't answer the question (which was "did it look good?") your answer: "No, but it was legal".
Makes my point.
 
*****stays out LEO threads but decided to join in this one for some odd, stupid reason*****

LEO's of today mirror our society as a whole. Our society, civility is going downhill fast.

Too many differences, too many factors.

I don't speak for all or for any. I just speak for myself. All I can do is to live, function, work, grow old, and die. Yet I'm not blinded to the things that are happening around me or to the fact that maybe we're not going in such a good direction.

All I can do is go to the election office and post a vote every now and again as long as they will allow me to do so. Maybe attend city/county meetings just to be heard yet not heard. Wasting my voice as much as my time.

I guess as long as I live I will have to see such things and hear of such things as becoming the norm for our society. It doesn't surprise me any longer when those in authority get away with excessive force or are promoted, my faith in this America died while watching Waco, the planes slam into the towers, and the loss of freedoms that continue to be erroded.

All I can do is sit here, listen to the Transiberian Orchestra and reflect upon the fact that I have to go to work tomorrow and if I've done something wrong that will warrent my arrest or other punishments unknown to me.

I know that it seems that I've gone off on a tangent but not so. I am just thinking deeper than the original post/thread and the implications that it holds.

Many will say that this is a malady, even if it is so, it's still fun ;)

Wayne

*I'm in a good mood I guess.
 
Funny, I see the usaul as thinly veiled cop supremacy over citizens. The lady did not get what she deserved. The officer may have acted well within the limits of procedure, but many exerts are saying that tasers are being over deployed. One of my co-workers told me about force escalation. Around here, you must use the minimum amount of force neccesary to effect the arrest. There must also not be a disparity in force. He attempted to use nothing but verbal commands(note: commands not reasoning) and tasing. This violates local force escalation and dispaity of force procedures, at his department things could be different. But I hardly think that procedure would be to shock her 5 times when she did not put her hands behind her back. For one the spasming could have made that difficult. That also brings another question to mind. We know she was shocked 5 times. But what was the interval between? Seconds would make him a jerk, minutes would indicate that he had plenty of time to ask for back-up.
 
Would you Taser YOUR grandmother if you were the cop ? I know that I wouldn't Taser an old woman for any reason other than life and death . She was in the Police Station . Where was she gonna go ?? Was she offered council ? I always thought that when being placed under arrest the Miranda came first . Let me add , if she had a gun and looked like she was gonna shoot me I would drop her like a 2 inch putt . I've seen too many instances where the cops backed waaaaayy off but those situations were racially charged . The Miami Dade LT that was verbally abusive to the officer and grabbed his license back and was rather confrontational was NEVER taken down like that . There are many other situations as well . This cop seems to have thought that he had a "slam dunk" and went with it . It seems that sometimes being legal and being right are light years apart .
 
Would you Taser YOUR grandmother if you were the cop ? (appeal to emotion, unless you're saying that person was the grandmother of that Officer) I know that I wouldn't Taser an old woman for any reason other than life and death . (makes sense, you are neither trained nor charged with enforcing the law, making arrests, etc) She was in the Police Station . Where was she gonna go ?? (where ever she had decided on) Was she offered council ? I always thought that when being placed under arrest the Miranda came first . (Miranda only pertains to questioning while in custody. IE: you only have to read it prior to questioning someone in custody. It has nothing to do with arresting someone) Let me add , if she had a gun and looked like she was gonna shoot me I would drop her like a 2 inch putt . I've seen too many instances where the cops backed waaaaayy off but those situations were racially charged . The Miami Dade LT that was verbally abusive to the officer and grabbed his license back and was rather confrontational was NEVER taken down like that . (Are you serious? :confused: I call BS and ignorance. The Good LT was OC'd, and physically taken to the ground, subdued, and incarcerated) There are many other situations as well . This cop seems to have thought that he had a "slam dunk" and went with it . It seems that sometimes being legal and being right are light years apart .
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TBO :cool:
 
I think perhaps if folks would maybe relax from their extreme positions of:

"Cops are bad by default"

"Citizens are bad by default"

And remain open to the possibility that neither of them may be 100% right, things may go a little more smoothly.

But that might just be me.

<edited to depersonalise>
 
Unbelievable:
One extreme side claims, "I saw the video. The Cop should burn."
The other extreme side says, "I saw the video. The guy's a Cop. Clearly he must have used the minimum of force necessary. Nothing to see here. Move along now."

Anyone arguing from the middle (eg: Bog) is irrelevant. No wonder nothing gets done in the Capitol these days. "They" are truly "Us". When the powers of Reason atrophy, all that is left is Emotion.

Thank God we have Courts and that this case is going to one to either exonerate the LEO or compensate the Non-LEO.

Bears watching.
Rich
 
There are 3 types of People that want to be in Law Enforcement:

1. The Bully. Who just wants the power to keep on being a bully.

2. The kid that got pushed around in school, in life. He just wants the power to push back.

3. Honest, hard working folks that actually want to make a difference.


Too bad that the number 3 type is in the minority these days.
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You have the breakdown right, but your percentages are all wrong.

1. 2%

2. 5%

3. 93%

That's about how it really breaks down.
 
Funny, I see the usaul as thinly veiled cop supremacy over citizens. The lady did not get what she deserved. The officer may have acted well within the limits of procedure, but many exerts are saying that tasers are being over deployed. One of my co-workers told me about force escalation. Around here, you must use the minimum amount of force neccesary to effect the arrest. There must also not be a disparity in force. He attempted to use nothing but verbal commands(note: commands not reasoning) and tasing. This violates local force escalation and dispaity of force procedures, at his department things could be different. But I hardly think that procedure would be to shock her 5 times when she did not put her hands behind her back. For one the spasming could have made that difficult. That also brings another question to mind. We know she was shocked 5 times. But what was the interval between? Seconds would make him a jerk, minutes would indicate that he had plenty of time to ask for back-up.
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Of course you think that way. You're 22 years old and are simply regurgitating what you've been indoctrinated with. You don't have the life experience to think otherwise.

Do you have any experts other than your 'co-worker' who might have some factual support that states that Tasers are being over-deployed?

Besides, the video doesn't show much to go on. It's about 6 or 7, one-second, frames. Hardly a video. Of course, we all know that people who get arrested never, ever lie or <gasp> embellish their stories to garner sympathy. Perish the thought.:rolleyes:

Face it. You hate cops because you hate cops, and you are going to glom onto whatever you can find to bolster your hate and hold onto it with a white-knuckle grip. You won't ever give a cop the benfit of the doubt because it doesn't fit into your bigoted worldview. At least do the users of the forum a favor and tell the truth.:mad:
 
You have the breakdown right, but your percentages are all wrong.

1. 2%

2. 5%

3. 93%

That's about how it really breaks down.
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Keep telling yourself that. If you tell yourself that enough times, you will believe it.;)
 
Sorry boys, but I have to side with Rich here: there really isn't enough being provided to tell one way or another...

And, as Bog said: BOTH sides need to come down off the "Us/Them" BS. It's doing more harm than ANYTHING a bad cop or uber-criminal pulls...
 
Often what is at the heart of the matter in threads like this is "thinly veiled LEO bashing".
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Sorry, but Jeff_Troop brought it on himself when he clicked (Submit Reply) to start this thread. If he had only complied with our many months worth of previous admonitions. We tried to be polite, but he just wouldn't listen. In response we became more stern. Still he wouldn't comply. Then we had to escalate. See it was a continuum, in step with TFL procedures.

Rick
 
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