You folks really need to get out more. Try a range with a decent long backstop, and burn some powder. It would be one thing for someone to honestly say that they have shot extensively at long range and just can't get the hang of it, and therefore have some skeptisism of those who can, and it is another thing entirely to just dismiss as BS some shooting which many of us understand as entirely feasable and doable. Ignoring reality just makes a person look like a fool. Calling a man a liar, or alluding to it at least, in this situation makes you look like an ill mannered fool.
Glocks at 500 yards?
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SigSauerIsBetter
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Wow!
That is seriously impressive.
That is seriously impressive.
Brian Pfleuger
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mavracer said:
Personally, I'd say that the groups at 500 yards would extropolate to NO MORE than half of the equivalent at 25 yards, and I think that's VERY optimistic. I don't know a single person with a RIFLE that can maintain perfect mathematical groups as distances exceed about 250 yards. Yes, there are guys and guns that can do it, a lot of them. Most people can not, and with a rifle. Desertscout1 is probably an excellent shot with a handgun. Even so, to expect pure linear growth of the groups at those distances is a pretty unreasonable best case scenario.
Desertscout1, shoot that Glock at 25 and show us the groups.
I bet you can do under 2 inches.I'd agree in real conditions (wind being the biggest factor).but extropolate what you want his actual group was not 39" thats only the 7 that hit the board his "group" would have exceded 48".
I've no doubt he is an exellent shot.and that he's a exellent shot regardless of what hand gun is in his hand.and no I don't expect his groups to grow linear but the mechanical accuracey of the gun will.I'd bet if you give him my 38super that will shoot under 1 1/2" at 50 yards from a rest he'd do better at 500 than with the glock.
most of the tests I've read of stock Glock 40s won't do that from a rest.
Brian Pfleuger
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Good choice.
My chart was based on the 155gr XTP.
Too be fair, the comparison should probably be either heavy for caliber or light for caliber on both sides, but I get your point.
What did you use for the BC? Where'd you get the MV? Hornady lists 975.
I have no problem with the claim. I've hit an 18" plate @ 300 with the ex's Glock 19, one handed. Repeatedly. Not every shot, but enough to know it can be done. Two handed, the number of hits can go up. A difference in bullet type makes a noticable difference in the amount of sight needed to make hits. WWB 115's shot flatter than Rem HP's. Two handed helps a lot, as does a good rest, or kneeling. I've made 6 for 6 @ 300 with a 22 Smith on an 18"w x 36"h plate, kneeling two handed, and 5 for 6 with a 4" 29. It isnt anything spectacular. I think I could teach any decent pistol shot to do it in an hour. I havent shot farther, 300 was fun, and interesting. I know a guy that shoots farther with a sixgun, up to about 800 on occasion, just seeing what he can do. I believe he said he could hit a half sheet of plywood @ about 600 fairly regularly with a heavy loaded 45 Colt.
Couple of points worth mentioning, a .40 @ 500, whatever the comparable paper energy, has more momentum than a 22, and will punch through more steel or whatever than the 22. The 22 also has a soft bullet, and can deform easier, so may not penetrate your particular drum of choice reliably, tho it seems to be able to poke holes in your neighbors drums.
I have no idea what the paper trajectory is on any pistol load, and it really doesnt matter, you don't shoot pistols at long range on paper trajectories, or by adjusting sights for it. You do it by holding the front sight up above the rear some amount. Trial and error shows you how much. The more you do it, the more you can do it well. The numbers mean nothing. For the ex's glock 19 with wwb 115's, I held about 2/3 or so of the white dot above top of the rear sight, with the 300 yard plate on top of the front sight. That made hits. The HP loads took a little more front sight. I have no idea how much "holdover" or "drop" it had, but I can hit the plate with that sight picture. Two handed takes more front sight, as the gun is held down tighter. I've shot other glocks at the 300 yard plate, and after a few rounds, could range it in and hit. Smith sixguns have much better trigger actions, and are generally easier to make longer hits with.
Couple of points worth mentioning, a .40 @ 500, whatever the comparable paper energy, has more momentum than a 22, and will punch through more steel or whatever than the 22. The 22 also has a soft bullet, and can deform easier, so may not penetrate your particular drum of choice reliably, tho it seems to be able to poke holes in your neighbors drums.
I have no idea what the paper trajectory is on any pistol load, and it really doesnt matter, you don't shoot pistols at long range on paper trajectories, or by adjusting sights for it. You do it by holding the front sight up above the rear some amount. Trial and error shows you how much. The more you do it, the more you can do it well. The numbers mean nothing. For the ex's glock 19 with wwb 115's, I held about 2/3 or so of the white dot above top of the rear sight, with the 300 yard plate on top of the front sight. That made hits. The HP loads took a little more front sight. I have no idea how much "holdover" or "drop" it had, but I can hit the plate with that sight picture. Two handed takes more front sight, as the gun is held down tighter. I've shot other glocks at the 300 yard plate, and after a few rounds, could range it in and hit. Smith sixguns have much better trigger actions, and are generally easier to make longer hits with.
I have no problem believing it. I've shot 8" groups at 100 yards from a rest with my G23s and G22s. I have no doubt I could do 30 - 40" groups at 500 yards with practice and a new pair of glasses. Many of us here could do it with our favorite pistol. Problem is, it would take more patience than I have and more ammo than I could afford to nail it. 
Desertscout1
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LOL! Yes sir, it is. It's pretty easy to tell the real shooters from the keyboard experts here. I always find it funny that even though there are usually a few that want to call BS about something, there is NEVER one that will put his money where his mouth is. I have a standing invitation to anyone at any time to come here and shoot with me and I will back up everything I say.
Any takers?......................... Naw, I didn't think so
dances with guns
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well before you get all tickled pink with yourself, i think it's fair to say most of us do not have a 200 or 500 yard range (or a video camera) with which we can disprove anything. or the necessary funds for ammo to keep shooting at those distances until you hit something.
you are lucky to have a place like that to shoot at, and money to send on the ammo, my friend.
OfficerJohnson10
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Desertscout1,
I'll take you up on your invitation just to get the chance to shoot at that distance but you pay my airfare and I'll buy the ammo
. You put up a good post and it doesn't really matter if anyone of us believes you or not. You know what you did or didn't do. If you did what you claim to have done ( which I believe you did) then +1 for you. If you didn't, then I'm sorry that your ego is such that you would take the extra time to post doctored pics and make a fraudulent claim. Either way it was a day at the range which should be a good day for anyone on this forum.
I'll take you up on your invitation just to get the chance to shoot at that distance but you pay my airfare and I'll buy the ammo
. You put up a good post and it doesn't really matter if anyone of us believes you or not. You know what you did or didn't do. If you did what you claim to have done ( which I believe you did) then +1 for you. If you didn't, then I'm sorry that your ego is such that you would take the extra time to post doctored pics and make a fraudulent claim. Either way it was a day at the range which should be a good day for anyone on this forum.imthegrumpyone
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Desertscout1, isn't life interesting ? love some of the BS's on these forums, by the way Great shot, "I believe you", of course my theory is I don't give a dam who believes what I've done or not done, never on my mine to have to prove myself to sceptical people. 
Desertscout1
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Thanks, guys. Like I said, it's real easy to tell the shooters from the bystanders.
Maybe I should have started with the premise for my post. It was never meant to be about how I can shoot but rather, how Glocks can shoot. All my guns are stock except for the triggers and a couple have after-market bbls. I never meant to say that Glocks were the only ones that could do this, only that they can. Many folks on these boards are ecstatic to luck one into a paper plate at 50 yards once in awhile. My G20 will consistently shoot into 3.5" at 50 with my handloads.
From the braggarts that we have taken out to our range, we have seen that most could not reliably hit a freight train at 500 yards much less a piece of plywood, no matter what they were shooting.
Maybe I should have started with the premise for my post. It was never meant to be about how I can shoot but rather, how Glocks can shoot. All my guns are stock except for the triggers and a couple have after-market bbls. I never meant to say that Glocks were the only ones that could do this, only that they can. Many folks on these boards are ecstatic to luck one into a paper plate at 50 yards once in awhile. My G20 will consistently shoot into 3.5" at 50 with my handloads.
From the braggarts that we have taken out to our range, we have seen that most could not reliably hit a freight train at 500 yards much less a piece of plywood, no matter what they were shooting.