Rob Pincus
New member
For the Record, Administrator Mode is definitely off-- (I'm so glad Rich came up with that! )
Firstly, Geneb aluded to it, and I forgot to mention it, but any CITY is WITHIN a County.. even 20 years ago when you were a trooper, so your whole basis for arguing with the guy is really thin, isn't it?
Your ranting post really made me laugh though....You claim that you couldn't take his "Getapo Ways..." Hahahaha.. the guy pulled you over because your car didn't have a plate! What is so "Gestapo" about that???
Then, after you started mouthing off, he asked you to sit in YOUR car! OOO, the gall!!
Save the "Boston Tea Party" rap for the kids at the conspiracy chat room... you are not in trouble because your freedom was threatened, you are in trouble because you acted like a smarty pants.
Now, somewhere in your first response to my post, you made the statement that your LE training included the idea that:
"The best way not to have an argument is to avoid one."
Well, I guess you forgot your training. Rather than testing an LEO (on his knowledge and temperment) in the middle of a traffic stop that could involve a felony (stolen car), you probably should've at least waited until after the conclusion of the warrant check and vehicle registration. Keep in mind that the Oklahoma bomber was caught because he was driving a car with no plate... or do you consider him an upstanding gun owner, since he stood up to authority??
TFL is full of responsible gun owners concerned about the future of our right to keep and bear arms. Why you think that somehow means we whould back you up for disobeying and antagonizing an LEO I don't understand.
If an ATF agent shows up at your house to check a serial number or something, are you going to get into a gun fight or are you going to show him the gun he wants to see? For ALL of our sakes, I hope you'd show him the gun. If your guns are legal, as I'm assuming your car was, and you just play along nobody gets hurt, arrested or maligned.
Inconvenienced? Hell, yeah! Maybe if you'd've had your license plate like you should have, you wouldn't have inconvenienced that cop by putting him in a position to have to pull you over!
Not only can I not bring myself to feel at all bad for you, it bothers me that you came here looking for sympathy! you were wrong-o-rama. I really hope you don't loose your right to own firearms over it. That is wrong. Show me a petition to and I'll sign it, put it to a vote and I'll vote against it, but I'm not going to tell you that you were (at all) in the right.
Just to keep things polite here, I'm emailing you .
Everyone Else,
Let's use this unfortunate incident as a learning opportunity:
Everything is not about guns! A Traffic stop, is just a traffic stop..Especially an obviously righteous stop (ie- there was no plate!). You will be much better served in your life (as will our entire cause) if you don't become a "one issue person". Avoiding Pepsi products becuase they have donated to HCI is one thing, Picking up a glass of Pepsi that your future mother-in-law puts in front of you at Thanksgiving Dinner and hurling it through a plate glass window is quite another!
Keep things in perspective. Be true to your beliefs, but be smart. Choose your battles carefully.
[This message has been edited by Rob (edited July 28, 1999).]
Firstly, Geneb aluded to it, and I forgot to mention it, but any CITY is WITHIN a County.. even 20 years ago when you were a trooper, so your whole basis for arguing with the guy is really thin, isn't it?
Your ranting post really made me laugh though....You claim that you couldn't take his "Getapo Ways..." Hahahaha.. the guy pulled you over because your car didn't have a plate! What is so "Gestapo" about that???
Then, after you started mouthing off, he asked you to sit in YOUR car! OOO, the gall!!
Save the "Boston Tea Party" rap for the kids at the conspiracy chat room... you are not in trouble because your freedom was threatened, you are in trouble because you acted like a smarty pants.
Now, somewhere in your first response to my post, you made the statement that your LE training included the idea that:
"The best way not to have an argument is to avoid one."
Well, I guess you forgot your training. Rather than testing an LEO (on his knowledge and temperment) in the middle of a traffic stop that could involve a felony (stolen car), you probably should've at least waited until after the conclusion of the warrant check and vehicle registration. Keep in mind that the Oklahoma bomber was caught because he was driving a car with no plate... or do you consider him an upstanding gun owner, since he stood up to authority??
TFL is full of responsible gun owners concerned about the future of our right to keep and bear arms. Why you think that somehow means we whould back you up for disobeying and antagonizing an LEO I don't understand.
If an ATF agent shows up at your house to check a serial number or something, are you going to get into a gun fight or are you going to show him the gun he wants to see? For ALL of our sakes, I hope you'd show him the gun. If your guns are legal, as I'm assuming your car was, and you just play along nobody gets hurt, arrested or maligned.
Inconvenienced? Hell, yeah! Maybe if you'd've had your license plate like you should have, you wouldn't have inconvenienced that cop by putting him in a position to have to pull you over!
Not only can I not bring myself to feel at all bad for you, it bothers me that you came here looking for sympathy! you were wrong-o-rama. I really hope you don't loose your right to own firearms over it. That is wrong. Show me a petition to and I'll sign it, put it to a vote and I'll vote against it, but I'm not going to tell you that you were (at all) in the right.
Just to keep things polite here, I'm emailing you .
Everyone Else,
Let's use this unfortunate incident as a learning opportunity:
Everything is not about guns! A Traffic stop, is just a traffic stop..Especially an obviously righteous stop (ie- there was no plate!). You will be much better served in your life (as will our entire cause) if you don't become a "one issue person". Avoiding Pepsi products becuase they have donated to HCI is one thing, Picking up a glass of Pepsi that your future mother-in-law puts in front of you at Thanksgiving Dinner and hurling it through a plate glass window is quite another!
Keep things in perspective. Be true to your beliefs, but be smart. Choose your battles carefully.
[This message has been edited by Rob (edited July 28, 1999).]