Friend breaks up an attempted robbery!
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We had a home invasion here not too long ago as well. White family, White criminals. What was your point? To train against a black invasion? What if I train for a black invasion and they turn out to be white??? I want my money back!! Since the thread is in training and tactics, I fail to see what this has to do with gov handouts. Ignorance running rampant here.
Scenario: Im in a less than happy mood that day (insert reason here) I am also a minority who legally carries and also military. I go into a small store and fall to realize my gun is slightly printing. I reach the counter and use my right hand to reach for my wallet to pay. At that moment the cashier and an unknown person point guns at me and force me to give up MY gun and leave the store.
I am going to call the police and insure that you and cashier are punished to the maximum extent of the law for not attempted armed robbery but for ARMED robbery, to the point were future gun ownership is out of the question.
This scenario situation could have easily turned fact. I hate to be that guy but your prejudice of someone's intentions based on their demeanor will not hold up in court. It would be different if he was in the process of the crime; ever wonder why on cop stings they wait for the perp to agree to buy sex/drugs/stolen merchandise. The story of " he was a minority who had a concealed weapon and I never seen him before" Its not good enough. All in all no one got hurt which is good. Hopefully this individual is indeed a criminal and not some scared citizen that ran for the life after being robbed in their eyes.
I am going to call the police and insure that you and cashier are punished to the maximum extent of the law for not attempted armed robbery but for ARMED robbery, to the point were future gun ownership is out of the question.
This scenario situation could have easily turned fact. I hate to be that guy but your prejudice of someone's intentions based on their demeanor will not hold up in court. It would be different if he was in the process of the crime; ever wonder why on cop stings they wait for the perp to agree to buy sex/drugs/stolen merchandise. The story of " he was a minority who had a concealed weapon and I never seen him before" Its not good enough. All in all no one got hurt which is good. Hopefully this individual is indeed a criminal and not some scared citizen that ran for the life after being robbed in their eyes.
Which is why you would never know I was worried about you. Your appearance or our appearance is the first thing we see. Its the starting point in SD. Sure you could be a very nice person however your appearance is going to speak for you in the beginning. A group of Black youths dressed in red bandannas in an area plagued by the Bloods gang will get much more attention than a group of black youths dress like boy scouts. That may suck for those boys in red if they were going to church for Sunday service but it is done everyday by everybody. Even those who say they don't, do.
Edward429451
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So if I read someones body language and it says that he's a punk, I'm supposed to disregard my brain if the guy is black so that the racephobic people can feel comfortable? You guys crack me up.
So who's being racist and putting mostly black guys on the dumb criminals TV?
Perhaps some of the so called racism allegedly typed in is in fact experience and not racism?
So who's being racist and putting mostly black guys on the dumb criminals TV?
Perhaps some of the so called racism allegedly typed in is in fact experience and not racism?
So I'm driving through North Dakota to visit my Grammy and stop at a convenience store at 3:30 in the morning, grab my Slushee, and reach into my coat to get my wallet and next thing I'm layin there shot cuz some dude just finished watchin Boyz in tha Hood? I ain't buyin it.
Threegun, what if they were white with white bandanas? Less threatened? How I look now (minus the earrings) was the same way I looked on the front lines in defense of this country. Good enuff there but not here? Judge by action, not just outward appearances.
Datguy781, if that happened why not come back to the store with the cops.
Threegun, what if they were white with white bandanas? Less threatened? How I look now (minus the earrings) was the same way I looked on the front lines in defense of this country. Good enuff there but not here? Judge by action, not just outward appearances.
Datguy781, if that happened why not come back to the store with the cops.
Assuming the original post is accurate, not impugning the OP but bearing in mind that he's relaying second-hand info, and his friend was under a wee bit of stress (which often impacts memory in odd ways)... but assuming it is accurate...
... then the BG didn't grab his wallet, but instead put his fingers on one of his guns.
He was also apparently carrying guns in his waistband. No mention was made of holsters. I've been told by a few cops that guns stuck in waistbands is one of the cues they look for; BGs often don't want holsters because it makes it harder to throw away the weapon prior to an arrest. "Hey, why do you have a 1911 holster on your belt? Could it be for that 1911 that was under the hedge?"
IE, normally holsters mean law-abiding CCW type, and lack of holsters often means BG.
I know some forum members like "Mexican carry," but safety issues aside, do realize it looks bad to some LEO types.
... then the BG didn't grab his wallet, but instead put his fingers on one of his guns.
He was also apparently carrying guns in his waistband. No mention was made of holsters. I've been told by a few cops that guns stuck in waistbands is one of the cues they look for; BGs often don't want holsters because it makes it harder to throw away the weapon prior to an arrest. "Hey, why do you have a 1911 holster on your belt? Could it be for that 1911 that was under the hedge?"
IE, normally holsters mean law-abiding CCW type, and lack of holsters often means BG.
I know some forum members like "Mexican carry," but safety issues aside, do realize it looks bad to some LEO types.
Icedog, You made assumptions here as I did when you question why.
My coworker doesn't know his large hind end from a hole in the ground much less what a citizens arrest is. LOL. He is sorely lacking in everything SD related. He knows better now and has promised to learn. He was basically scared straight.
Even a closed mouth smile.
Got us scared also. I don't think it was a suicide mission because he gave up instantly. We are all scratching our collective heads on this one.
Nope white freaky or gangster thug looking guys get the same treatment.
Thank you for defending us all. But sadly I don't have anyway of knowing your service when you walk past me at 1am or as you enter our shop. I can only make my initial judgment based on what I see and other associated facts.
Unfortunately in keeping myself safe I am willing to use every advantage possible including profiling. I will judge you by your actions but prepare in keeping myself safe upon anything that gives me alarm.
If a 130 pound rotweiler was walking toward me normally. But don't know the dog from Adam. I will prepare a defense as if he was vicious until I find out he is a big baby. Properly done he would be the wiser and everybody feels good.
Another form of profiling and very good i might add. I Mexican carry sometimes thanks for the heads up LOL.
Datguy, You don't give someone the heebie geebies either. Black yes, large yes, spooky looking no, robber looking no, clean cut yes, and no snarl. Heck I would invite you over for dinner. Visit the shop and I will show you what Vic was talking about. Some guys come in that would make Rambo's knees knock.
I was playing football and my beretta jetfire fell into the road from my jacket pocket. An off duty officer with his family happened to see this. I was drawn on and forced to comply with the old hands up deal. Long story short I was finally able to show my permit and all was better after a scolding for not having it more secure. Point is IF (notice the BIG if) you are drawn on for getting to close to your partially exposed firearms simply comply and wait for police to figure it out. It is your fault for printing and then making it look as if you were trying to get a grip on the firearm anyway.
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So, here's a question.
I only carry a knife, don't currently own a handgun. If someone were to, not be carrying a firearm but had a knife, what could they have done in this situation?
I don't really know what I would do, but I'm curious what others would say. It's not to be another "I would have done this", it's "if all you had was this, what would your options have been?"
I only carry a knife, don't currently own a handgun. If someone were to, not be carrying a firearm but had a knife, what could they have done in this situation?
I don't really know what I would do, but I'm curious what others would say. It's not to be another "I would have done this", it's "if all you had was this, what would your options have been?"
Sorry for posting so many in a row but I have time now. This is a story of my radar working.
A man walks into our shop. He is dressed in university of north carolina tar heels basketball clothes the cap, shirt, and shorts. He says nothing upon entry and his hat is very low as if to shield his eyes. He makes one lap around the shops show floor slowly but never looks into a single showcase or at anything behind the counters. He just stayed head forward. Halfway through the lap I mumbled to my female coworker in spanish to be prepared that this guy was looking fishy to me. I positioned myself so that I could see his waist to check for lumps and so he could see my openly carried pistol. As he finished his lap and began to head for the exit I politely asked him if he had seen anything he couldn't live without. He said "naw man" and walked out. He kept his hat so low that I could only see his mouth and maybe a bit of nose. Well my coworker and I agreed that something was wrong with what just happened but didn't think more of it. Next day Tampa Police Detectives come in and warn us that the Pawnshop 3 blocks away was robbed, including customers one of which held a baby, being held at gunpoint. He told us that we could view the video on baynews 9 web page. So a few minutes later we view the footage. There were two robbers one very thin the other heavy set (like the guy who cased our shop a day earlier). I called my coworker over for a look. Body shape was identical. She agreed so we called the number to the detective listed on baynews9's video. I explained what had happened to us and simply asked the detective if one of the suspects had a tattoo on his right arm. His reply "what did it look like". My coworker had to take the phone as I couldn't remember what it looked like. She described what she saw. Within hours the detective was in the shop and copying the video onto a flash drive.
This guy was well dressed (outfit was new) but his weird actions made him suspicious to me. Sometimes its appearance. Sometimes its actions. Sometimes both. Sometimes you get neither and thats the bad one.
Don't know if the video helped I do believe that it was the robber.
A man walks into our shop. He is dressed in university of north carolina tar heels basketball clothes the cap, shirt, and shorts. He says nothing upon entry and his hat is very low as if to shield his eyes. He makes one lap around the shops show floor slowly but never looks into a single showcase or at anything behind the counters. He just stayed head forward. Halfway through the lap I mumbled to my female coworker in spanish to be prepared that this guy was looking fishy to me. I positioned myself so that I could see his waist to check for lumps and so he could see my openly carried pistol. As he finished his lap and began to head for the exit I politely asked him if he had seen anything he couldn't live without. He said "naw man" and walked out. He kept his hat so low that I could only see his mouth and maybe a bit of nose. Well my coworker and I agreed that something was wrong with what just happened but didn't think more of it. Next day Tampa Police Detectives come in and warn us that the Pawnshop 3 blocks away was robbed, including customers one of which held a baby, being held at gunpoint. He told us that we could view the video on baynews 9 web page. So a few minutes later we view the footage. There were two robbers one very thin the other heavy set (like the guy who cased our shop a day earlier). I called my coworker over for a look. Body shape was identical. She agreed so we called the number to the detective listed on baynews9's video. I explained what had happened to us and simply asked the detective if one of the suspects had a tattoo on his right arm. His reply "what did it look like". My coworker had to take the phone as I couldn't remember what it looked like. She described what she saw. Within hours the detective was in the shop and copying the video onto a flash drive.
This guy was well dressed (outfit was new) but his weird actions made him suspicious to me. Sometimes its appearance. Sometimes its actions. Sometimes both. Sometimes you get neither and thats the bad one.
Don't know if the video helped I do believe that it was the robber.
Threegun, while we disagree on appearance rather than actions defining what constitutes a legit threat, you may have helped prove race doesn't affect your action. If the gent comes in wearing a suit and is black, he stands less of a chance of being labeled as opposed to a young white guy with saggy jeans ,hat on backwards and bling? Because my initial question way back was what RACE had to do with it. This is why I ask. Am I to lose the opportunity to be judged fairly solely by my skin color by a majority of white society rather than how I act? Then a disservice will continue and walls will continue to go up, rather than come down. And I'll have to invest in that "Defending your home against Slovakians" course. I'll also have to tell my White adpotive mom that I have to defend my home against her and my girlfriend and daughters! Dang it!
We should only compare apples to apples. If a BM came in thugged out he would get treated the same as a BM in a suit only we would be more cautious of the thug.
A white thug will get more attention than a any race in a suit. A lone male will get more attention than one with a woman or child etc. Elderly men will get less attention. These are things I have found over time to be doing without thinking about it.
Race plays a role at times.
A white thug will get more attention than a any race in a suit. A lone male will get more attention than one with a woman or child etc. Elderly men will get less attention. These are things I have found over time to be doing without thinking about it.
Race plays a role at times.
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