Former Taliban admitted to Yale

For the Goebbels thing to make any sense Said would have to be in Bin Laden or some other major Taliban power structure's inner circle? Is that the case? Or is he more like a German bus driver who joined the Nazi party?

As far as whether he should be kept off campus, I wonder if you would say the same if we were talking about a someone who vocally supported the IRA in the past?

The Saudis and Yemenis while having stringent laws allow women medical treatment
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You can also get medical attention for your camel. In fact, that is probably a better comparison. Are you sure you want to put the Saudi's on a pedastal in this manner?
 
My humble opinion

Former taliban and former al queda should not be admitted to the US for any reason.
 
Former taliban and former al queda should not be admitted to the US for any reason.
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Paging Dr. Braun ... paging Dr. Werner von Braun. :rolleyes: By this logic, and all the rampant Nazi comparisons, my grandparents never would have been able to enter the country (no, von Braun was not my granfather, but let's just say during the period of time in question, they were of the 'others'); to my knowledge, nobody in my family has ever constituted a national security risk.

It would appear, at least going by the initial post since no further information was provided, that Mr. Hashemi has 'repented' of his ways, so to speak. If he's not facing criminal/human rights charges, and there are no other legal hindrances to his entry into the United States or his enrollment in continuing education courses at an American university, I fail to see the problem.
 
Handy,

I repeat....he was spokesperson for the Taliban. The IRA never gave aid or comfort to someone who was responsible for an attack on Americans. As for the state of Saudi Medicine I would have to say they have very good care. This I know from personal experience. Yemen is another story but any medical attention is better than none.

Interestingly enough, leave your wallet on a table, in Riyadh, in public, and walk away and see if it is there when you get back.:D Bet you dough it is! Trust me the folks in Saudi are another slice of life!:D
 
don't know what disabled vets have to do with this
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What I am saying is that Yale was willing to jump through hoops to get this guy into courses at the University. I wonder if they would jump through the same hoops to get a conservative war veteran in the program?

According to what I have read one of his last residences was a military jail at Bagram in Afghanistan. As far as being cleared, these are the same institutions that let the 9/11 guys slip through. So I guess you are saying that they are infallible now?

As far as being repentent about his past activities I have failed to uncover any public statement to that effect. If you know of one let me know.

Nobody was whining about the taliban prior to 9/11 because we were trying to establish a relationship so the oil companies could broker a deal for a pipeline.

and as for a link.......

"Natalie Healy lost her Navy SEAL son Dan in Afghanistan last year when a Taliban rocket hit his helicopter. Ms. Healy, who notes that her son had four children of his own, is appalled at Yale's new student. "Lots of people could benefit from a Yale education, so why reward this man who was part of the group that killed Dan?"

"Ten days ago Ms. Healy met Malalai Joya, a member of Afghanistan's parliament, when she spoke near her home in Exeter, N.H. Tonight, Ms. Joya will speak at Yale on behalf of the Afghan Women's Mission. She is appalled that many people have forgotten the crimes of the Taliban, and was surprised to hear that Mr. Hashemi, who, like her, is 27 years old, is attending Yale. "He should apologize to my people and expose what he and others did under the Taliban," she told me. "He knew very well what criminal acts they committed; he was not too young to know. It would be better if he faced a court of justice than be a student at Yale University"

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008127

As for the Goebels connection

He was an Envoy and Diplomat of the Taliban Government saw nothing wrong with killing people because they di not practice religion as the taliban thought it should be. He was an enabler of murder and injustice.

This says it best......

"a Yale freshman whose father is a Yale professor. He clearly has: He calls the Taliban "an evil and macabre terrorist group. . . . The fact that Hashemi didn't do actual killing does not absolve him. Goebbels didn't shoot anyone either."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008115

"Yet Mr. Rahmatullah's views have been deliberated on the Yale campus before, by Mr. Rahmatullah himself. In March 2001 Gustav Ranis, then director of Yale's Center for International and Area Studies, moderated a debate on the Taliban at Yale between the Taliban mouthpiece and Prof. Harold Hongju Koh of the Yale Law School. It was a heated confrontation, with Mr. Koh only "reluctantly" shaking Mr. Rahmatullah's hand at the end. But it apparently made an impression on Mr. Ranis, who, one Yale official told me, soon took to calling then Attorney General John Ashcroft and other Bush administration officials "the American Taliban." Mr. Ranis did not respond to phone calls or emails."

PBS interview with him in 2001.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/afghanistan/hashimi.html
 
What I am saying is that Yale was willing to jump through hoops to get this guy into courses at the University. I wonder if they would jump through the same hoops to get a conservative war veteran in the program?
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What hoops! What are you talking about? Is there some part of this non-admission, part time schooling you're not mentioning, because that's the first mention of any effort made on Yale's part to help this person.
 
The hoops such as getting an ex member of the Taliban a visa plus an extension. Getting him past the No Fly list to the US. They have members of Congress and Infants who have been stopped by the No Fly List. There were even sponsors to pay for his education.I think those sponsors have backed out.

Yale has not had anything to say about it except for 144 published words.....

One of the persons who was upset about it were a lady whose husband was killed on 9/11 who just paid 35,000 + a year for 4 years for her daughter to graduate from Yale. I bet they didnt give her any extras for her fathers death on 9/11. She was pissed and I dont blame her. She raised a red flag on the issue.

Do you blame her?

I would be a little bit more understanding if this were some poor low level guy who has made public statements disowning the Taliban and reformed his evil ways.

This guy was part of the government that told us we couldnt have Bin Laden. He only left that government after the butt whupping commenced because he was disillusioned. He bailed on his Taliban buddies to save his own carcass.
If he has been public with any statments condeming the Taliban and Osama and Al Qaeda I havent seen them. Please feel free to post em if you know about them.

There had to be someone pulling strings inside the State Department, maybe a Yale alumnus or a pal of the administration. They are the same agency that played a part in why we had 9/11. They probably cleared him :rolleyes:
 
he was spokesperson for the Taliban
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just because someone 'defends the taliban' doesnt make them a 'spokesperson'. for that matter, i am a Spokesperson for the 2nd Amendment because i have had letters to the editor printed.

was he ever on the payroll of the taliban for his 'speaking' out in their defense?

remember the rosie o / tom selleck debacle? rosie contended that tom shared some responsibility for gun violence because he (in her words) 'speaks for the NRA'. all because tom appeared in a NRA commercial and ad campaign. tom contended he speaks for himself, not for the NRA.

with all that in mind, what does the phrase 'spokesperson' matter in this discussion? without ever having read anything else about this issue, or about the person in question, i would venture that there are far worse terrorist sympathizers in our midst that we should be more concerned with.

for example, one we are dealing with up here is a group called 'insurgent 49'. do a google search for them, their website comes up first. normally i'd post a link, but i dont want their web admin to discover traffic coming to his site directly from TFL. ya know, playing all discreet and what not.

a name for our clandestine group we are kicking around is 'Reactionary Urban Native Ninjas', or RUNN for short.
 
spacemanspiff,

Please see link to Mr. Hashemis duties as a Taliban member in my last post. He was a spokesperson!

By the by can I be a member of RUNN!;) :D
 
yeah, we need other chapters of our organization across the states.


fwiw, a wikipedia article, that was last updated this morning, is not quite the evidence that would convince me hashemis is/was a spokesperson for the taliban.

i can post a wikipedia article stating i am the sexiest creature alive, doesnt necessarily make it so, know what i mean?

please keep in mind i am not trying to defend this guy, i just think that there are far worse people out there that deserve our attention at this point in time.
 
The hoops such as getting an ex member of the Taliban a visa plus an extension. Getting him past the No Fly list to the US. They have members of Congress and Infants who have been stopped by the No Fly List. There were even sponsors to pay for his education.I think those sponsors have backed out.
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Ahhhh! Those are not hoops that Yale jumped through!!!! That stuff has nothing to do with Yale, and Yale has no special influence.
There had to be someone pulling strings inside the State Department, maybe a Yale alumnus or a pal of the administration.
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:rolleyes: Source, please. This is getting stupid.


I don't like this guy, I don't think he should be here either. But his nightly Underwater Basket Weaving class on the Yale campus has nothing to do with anything. Paying tuition doesn't give other people the right to say what kind of people get to attend their school - we already had a rights movement in the '60s to square that issue.


So if you don't have something a little more concrete to get upset about besides Yale allowing a student to attend classes, as they are legally obligated to, why don't we let this pointless exercise rest? Yale didn't select this guy as a student. Yale didn't "pull strings". Yale just followed their own JC admission policy and the law. End of story.
 
fwiw, a wikipedia article, that was last updated this morning, is not quite the evidence that would convince me hashemis is/was a spokesperson for the taliban.
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Will the Wall Street Journal Work :D

Two months ago, a man called Sayed Rahmatullah Hashimi visited the editorial board of The Wall Street Journal. A senior spokesman on foreign affairs for the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, he was on a mission to explain why that regime had undertaken to destroy two giant, and ancient, statues of the Buddha near a town called Bamiyan, 90 miles west of the capital, Kabul.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/tvaradarajan/?id=95000530

Handy,

So the State Department just hands out Visas to ex-Taliban members without any research? I dont think the State Department is just handing out Visas to ex-Taliban members just because they want to come to the United States. I think at a minimum he probably needed some letters from "responsible citizens" and a college letter to get a Visa. I have a friend who was deployed in Operation Enduring Freedom with me and has volunteered for duty in South America places where he cant wear his uniform. He is going on almost a year now trying to get his wife in America.
 
Your thread is not about the state department, it is about Yale. Your "I would think" lines don't amount to a hill of beans. You have no information about Yale helping this guy get into the US, and now you're creating fantastic stories.
 
From 1001 Taliban Nights....

This is from the State Department Web Site

"Students interested in studying in the United States must be admitted to a U.S. school or university before starting the visa process."

"The U.S. government made some changes in visa procedures after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001" :eek:

"Students should also remember that acceptance by a U.S. educational institution does not guarantee issuance of a student visa."

"Advance planning by international travelers is essential to ensure they have their visa when they need it to come to the U.S. For most visa applicants, an interview is required as a standard part of visa processing. Visa applications are evaluated very carefully and take more time now than in the past. Nevertheless, we are making every effort to interview and process student and exchange visitor visa applications in an expeditious manner. Some applications require additional security screening."

So when the name Sayed Rahmatullah Hashimi went into the State Department Computer it didnt set any bells and whistles off?

Surely the State Department has a list of Taliban names ? We would hope so.
 
Yale is no longer a college, it's a liberal indoctrination camp. They love having the Taliban there, and for an extra slap in your face, your taxes pay for this anti American non sense.
 
Surely the State Department has a list of Taliban names ? We would hope so.
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And that still fails to suggest that Yale jumped through any more hoops for this guy than they would for any individual from his country deciding to take classes there. There's nothing to suggest that they jumped through any more hoops than they would for either of us.

Yale is no longer a college, it's a liberal indoctrination camp. They love having the Taliban there, and for an extra slap in your face, your taxes pay for this anti American non sense.
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Is there anything to support this idea?
 
I wonder if they would jump through the same hoops to get a conservative war veteran in the program?
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Well the University of Washington refused to put a statue of their alumni Pappy Boyington because they felt he "did not represent them in a manner they were comfortable with" or some b.s.

So there's your answer, AFAIC.
 
Well the University of Washington refused to put a statue of their alumni Pappy Boyington because they felt he "did not represent them in a manner they were comfortable with" or some b.s.

So there's your answer, AFAIC.
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So because a school on the other side of the country with no affiliation to the one in question declined to put up a statue of a known alcoholic with disciplinary problems in service and three kids he barely knew, that's somehow an answer to whether or not Yale pulled any extra strings for this other guy?
 
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