Come on guys, he isn't that far off and his groups aren't that bad so scope and technique aren't his problem. He was chasing his shots with the scope and you cannot zero that way till you know the gun and scope well and are capable of shooting sub MOA with it every time. Thats for experts not for average man on the street shooters. He will be fine. Get zeroed first then he can experiment with different bullet weights and styles to find optimum choice for his gun, it isn't rocket science and for hunting accuracy he doesn't have to be shooting one hole groups, just hit his prey in the kill zone.
First time @ 100yard lane... Oh the disappointment :(
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chadstrickland
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I rarely shoot a rifle that has been strapped down in a vice. I have set in plenty of rifle scopes. I regularly hold 1/2 inch moa if the rifle can do it. It is easy! Just do the same thing over and over again.
If you cannot do these basic and simple things then you will be hopeless at long distance shooting.
If you are not sure how your optics work or are trying to see which ammunition holds the tightest possible groups then by all means place it in a vice, but remember this every shot you take in a vice is one taken away from your experience. That is why ( unless doing experiments where a fraction of a inch matters ) I do not use them for everyday things.
I am not boasting by any means. If you think I am then take a trip to camp Perry. My shooting skills are mediocre compared to some people there.
If you cannot do these basic and simple things then you will be hopeless at long distance shooting.
If you are not sure how your optics work or are trying to see which ammunition holds the tightest possible groups then by all means place it in a vice, but remember this every shot you take in a vice is one taken away from your experience. That is why ( unless doing experiments where a fraction of a inch matters ) I do not use them for everyday things.
I am not boasting by any means. If you think I am then take a trip to camp Perry. My shooting skills are mediocre compared to some people there.
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Actually its quite common.
I shot that group in 1979. I was only going to shoot a three shot group, but they were all touching so I shot one more. I only had that one pic in my photo bucket album, but I've got lots of targets with 10 shot one hole groups.
I'm really not so obsessive about it now, if a hunting rifle shoots into 1.5" @ 100yds I'm happy.
TheNatureBoy
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I agree with bigautomatic. Getting someone who has been at it for a while to work with you will be a big help. You can also go to "youtube" and search for videos related to zeroing your rifle, proper shooting techniques, etc. The problems you mentioned are typical of noobs so don't worry about it.
Went shooting a 22 bolt action today. Definitely I have a flinching issue. After using the 30-06 rounds I *expected* some kind of bang. I got all tense, close my eyes a little and even move the rifle up an inch while shooting it. Took me a few rounds to realize there was no bang and the really small 22 rounds barely have any recoil at all.
Key thing is that I was expecting/anticipating a detonation. I'll practice more and keep in mind all the tips mention here. You guys are a helpful bunch.
PS: This thing is like bicycles, you always want "one more bike/rifle". Now I want to try (buy?) a .223
Key thing is that I was expecting/anticipating a detonation. I'll practice more and keep in mind all the tips mention here. You guys are a helpful bunch.
PS: This thing is like bicycles, you always want "one more bike/rifle". Now I want to try (buy?) a .223
DiscoRacing
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Im sure its nothing Serious...
.. practice.... practice..
.. i have howa 1500 in both .270 and .30-06...
...and both are very accurate at 100yds.
I have put five shots of either one in 1 1/4 inch circles.
.. practice.... practice..
.. i have howa 1500 in both .270 and .30-06...
...and both are very accurate at 100yds.
I have put five shots of either one in 1 1/4 inch circles.
thedaddycat
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Gglass, that is some very impressive shooting. However, there are few who would argue that what you have done it with is probably closer to a modern tactical sniper rifle than, let's say my old Model 94 .30-30, Mausers, or 1898 .30=40 Krag. Most fairly modern scoped hunting rifles fall somewhere in between the two.
Has that one been accurized or is it box stock? What scope is on it? That is one sweet looking rifle. I was looking at a Remington 700 Sendero earlier this year, probably would have had it in 7mm Mag, but decided to save up a bit more for a bigger fire rated gun safe...
Has that one been accurized or is it box stock? What scope is on it? That is one sweet looking rifle. I was looking at a Remington 700 Sendero earlier this year, probably would have had it in 7mm Mag, but decided to save up a bit more for a bigger fire rated gun safe...
Sorry for all the pics.
I'm pretty sure it's stock. Accuracy is within the shooter for the most part. Most rifles are willing and capable it's up to the shooter to "drive" it right.
As mentioned about the rifles in the OP. The 5R is one exceptional remington IMO. Those barrels just shoot, i haven't found a bad report yet.
3-shot ragged holes i can manage now and again. 5 shots more difficult for me unless i'm shooting a regular basis.
4-shot group 155gr scenars @ 100
11 shot group 155gr scenars @ 100 (2 on the right were fouling) 2 flyers 9 in the hole.
This one is at 300 with 21mph wind gust, nothing spectacular but i was surprised by the last 3 shots, which are the ones touching.
175 gr bergers groups with varget @ 100
175gr bergers (screwed up ones at that) @ 225yds with 11mph gust. I screwed up these rounds and my zero was completely off vertical stringing is due to pressure fluctuations causing my velocity to be very inconsistent as oppose to my regular load that has a ES of 11 and a SD of 4.
I'm pretty sure it's stock. Accuracy is within the shooter for the most part. Most rifles are willing and capable it's up to the shooter to "drive" it right.
As mentioned about the rifles in the OP. The 5R is one exceptional remington IMO. Those barrels just shoot, i haven't found a bad report yet.
3-shot ragged holes i can manage now and again. 5 shots more difficult for me unless i'm shooting a regular basis.
4-shot group 155gr scenars @ 100
11 shot group 155gr scenars @ 100 (2 on the right were fouling) 2 flyers 9 in the hole.
This one is at 300 with 21mph wind gust, nothing spectacular but i was surprised by the last 3 shots, which are the ones touching.
175 gr bergers groups with varget @ 100
175gr bergers (screwed up ones at that) @ 225yds with 11mph gust. I screwed up these rounds and my zero was completely off vertical stringing is due to pressure fluctuations causing my velocity to be very inconsistent as oppose to my regular load that has a ES of 11 and a SD of 4.
I see that no one has yet mentioned the availability of "low" or "managed recoil" loads, which are great for beginners to avoid early development of a "flinch". I have used them in Remington 30.06 125 grainers and the point of impact at 100 yards is not a great deal different than heavier loads. With considerably less "thump".
DiscoRacing
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About the Unicorns...
... Not that one hole groups are impossible by any means... but...
.. there seem to be alot more people that talk about making them...than can actually suppose those claims.
..and I also say to this...
..many people can make 8 or 10 shots in one hole once.. .but... if you are truely this accurate...without doubt...then you can do this anytime anywhere..
... and when you want to back that up... I have a private range you are welcome to attend... I would love to see these skills.
..I shoot nearly every week with several calibers.
... Not that one hole groups are impossible by any means... but...
.. there seem to be alot more people that talk about making them...than can actually suppose those claims.
..and I also say to this...
..many people can make 8 or 10 shots in one hole once.. .but... if you are truely this accurate...without doubt...then you can do this anytime anywhere..
... and when you want to back that up... I have a private range you are welcome to attend... I would love to see these skills.
..I shoot nearly every week with several calibers.
Tempest 455
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Sounds like this is the issue.
Thanks for the compliment.
The Remington 700 Police rifle shot the way you see in the pics above from the time I took it from the box. It has had several scopes on it (current scope - Weaver Tactical 3-15x50 FFP EMDR), and has since been accurized a bit. I have enlarged the barrel channel just a tad, and did a Skim Bedding job to maximize contact area between the stock and action. The end result can be seen in the hostage target posted above and this, my best group to date:
I highly recommend the Remington 700P, for anyone looking for a highly accurate rifle that will not break the bank. Many folks like to compare the 700P to the 700SPS, but these two rifles are not even manufactured in the same area of the Remington's Ilion, NY plant. The 700SPS is a fine rifle, which comes off the regular assembly line, but the 700P comes from the same division that produces the M24 for the US Army and the base components for the Marine's M40. Remington does not advertise this fact, as they try to keep the 700P available through the LE Agency channels, at a reasonable price, but they can't keep civilians from obtaining them. (Remington did put the 700P on the Clinton-era Assault Weapons Ban List, but left all other rifles like the 700SPS off the list, to limit the numbers they had to produce.) Like the military only rifles this division produces, the LE Agency 700P gets the first pick of the best receivers, and barrels, as Remington cannot have the military or law enforcement shooting MOA+ when it counts. They even added their best 40X trigger system to the 700P within the last couple of years.
You can find the Remington 700P for under $900 at through most dealers. Just don't tell all your friends or the price may skyrocket.
Also, the Remington 5R and several Savage models can shoot as well as the 700P without breaking the bank.
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DiscoRacing said:
gglass you should drive down to W. Virginia and see how much money DiscoRacing wants to bet.
I've got an 84M .22-250 Kimber that I'm pretty sure I can shoot a one hole group with, but if nine are touching and one is 1/32 out he'll say I lost. I have confidence in you though gglass. Very nice shooting.
LOL - I highly doubt that I'll be making any lengthy road trips to prove something that is not all that impressive. Just head over to the Sniper's Hide Forums to see some impressive long range shooting... I think that my skills would be on the low end of average amongst that group of shooters.
I would be happy to provide a video of a 5-shot group being produced, as long as the weather holds out.
I did this 100-yard video showing a GSG1911-22 pistol for some guys on another forum. It's not a rifle group, but I was pleased with the outcome and find it to be slightly entertaining.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRJE87Gd86M
This is a video I did quite some time ago, which shows my son shooting his own completely stock Remington 700P. He did this humorous hostage/thug scenario to show that his dad did not have all the skills in the family.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqVDMaTIjQc
This is a independent video review of the Remington 700 Police, which shows the accuracy potential of the completely stock rifle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZpqOkc-ih8&feature=related
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Yeah, I don't blame you I thought the tight groups that some people can shoot was common knowledge. I guess in the view of some, if they can't do it, its impossible, or a fluke.
I just shot a 7/10ths of an inch 3 shot group, at what the laser range finder said was 221 yards, with my .22-250 a couple of weeks ago. I guess I got lucky.
I just shot a 7/10ths of an inch 3 shot group, at what the laser range finder said was 221 yards, with my .22-250 a couple of weeks ago. I guess I got lucky.