First Starbucks

The only way you can open carry in TX ?

That brings up the point of why one would do that if it isn't a statement. What particular tactical utility does carrying a long arm give you in the vast majority of self-defense instances?

Have you trained in retention of long arms if you end up in close quarters? Is it useful if you are standing in a long crowded line at the market?

Is unslinging the gun and getting it into action particular quick. Carrying a chambered, safety off long arm is not as safe as a holstered pistol. Carrying unchambered is rather slow.

So it's just for show to be manly for soccer moms?
 
"We have decided the prudent path, to further our goals, is to immediately cease taking long guns into corporate businesses unless invited."

There's a saying that covers that...

Day late and a dollar short.
 
If this article is true, then Mom Demand Action, got themselves evicted from a Chipotle for rude behavior towards Oklahoma Open Carry members.
Click to expand...
Notice that there seems to be no corroboration for this. The link the author gives in his description of the incident goes to an online gun store.

These guys are obsessive about videotaping their demonstrations. Why don't they have video of this?
 
Duno, maybe this?

MDA activists then proceeded to take pictures of the gun owners and attempted to portray them as intimidating and threatening. The management wasn't having any of it; he threw Moms Demand Action out of his store!
I conducted an interview with the manager, and while I asked him if I could quote him directly, he asked that I do not. He said that he wasn't going to have people treating paying customers rudely in his store. They simply do not allow customers to take pictures of other customers; it's a "zero tolerance" policy if you will
 
"We have decided the prudent path, to further our goals, is to immediately cease taking long guns into corporate businesses unless invited."
Click to expand...

They have hit themselves in the head with a hammer repeatedly and discovered it hurts. It's a step forward when they decide to stop.

Some may go on to some other activity. Others may decide that since it hurts to hit themselves in the head they will see what happens when they hit themselves somewhere else. Like a public park, football game or a political rally.

Maybe they will start wearing black hoods or the Guy Fawkes masks.

We'll see.

They can be dangerous if not addressed. They are provocateurs. They are the fella in a peaceful protest who starts throwing rocks at the cops. They are the man in a black hood carrying a hammer who starts breaking windows. In those cases you wonder if they are undercover cops, paid provocateurs or someone off track. In this case it's fella off track. They do damage and that's something that has to be dealt with and patiently explained.

tipoc
 
It appears that OCT and others have changed their strategy just a little. Maybe they read this forum and you guys have had a positive impact on the way they will continue their fight.
Click to expand...

Even the NRA-ILA made a statement a few days ago calling for OCT to stop their "hijinx". I'm definitely glad to see them change.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/a...s-and-good-neighbors-the-gun-owners-role.aspx

Yet while unlicensed open carry of long guns is also typically legal in most places, it is a rare sight to see someone sidle up next to you in line for lunch with a 7.62 rifle slung across his chest, much less a whole gaggle of folks descending on the same public venue with similar arms.

Let's not mince words, not only is it rare, it's downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself. To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one's cause, it can be downright scary. It makes folks who might normally be perfectly open-minded about firearms feel uncomfortable and question the motives of pro-gun advocates.
Click to expand...
 
1. Get a CHL. In Texas we revised the statutes and its rediculously easy now. Else, don't OC into a restaurant.

2. People who do that weren't raised by their mammas properly. Sorry but no self respecting Texan would ever have done that when I was growing up. If you did you just came in from the field and you parked that puppy at the door before the missus started barking at you for your uncouth manners.
Click to expand...

Is the texas CHL handed out the same day one completes the requirements to attain it? If not then my self, my wife and our two children as a potential transplants to Texas would have to go unprotected or risk having you look down on me for my momma not raising me proper...

Give me a break. My families protection comes first and foremost. As I stated I currently do not open carry a rifle alothough where I live it's not illegal. But then open carry of a pistol isnt illegal either.
 
Closing The Gap said:
Is the texas CHL handed out the same day one completes the requirements to attain it? If not then my self, my wife and our two children as a potential transplants to Texas would have to go unprotected...
Click to expand...
Easily managed with a little thought and planning. Texas honors the Nevada CHL as well as those of a number of States available to non-residents (e. g., Arizona).
 
Even the NRA-ILA made a statement a few days ago calling for OCT to stop their "hijinx". I'm definitely glad to see them change.
Click to expand...

Unfortunately, Chris Cox has since backpedaled from that statement. This means Grisham will see it as a win and continue being a problem for everyone. They're now doing open-carry walks in Target stores.

But then open carry of a pistol isnt illegal either.
Click to expand...
It is in Texas. That's the claimed reason for these rifle shenanigans.
 
Easily managed with a little thought and planning. Texas honors the Nevada CHL as well as those of a number of States available to non-residents (e. g., Arizona).
Click to expand...

As I understood it, and correct me if I'm wrong but my Michigan CPL is no longer valid the moment I get my Texas driver license. Which I need to get a Texas CHL? Or do they allow me to use my Michigan CPL while holding a Texas ID?

It is in Texas. That's the claimed reason for these rifle shenanigans.
Click to expand...

And the reason I stated I'd carry a rifle until I could get my CHL in hand.
 
Closing The Gap said:
As I understood it, and correct me if I'm wrong but my Michigan CPL is no longer valid the moment I get my Texas driver license. Which I need to get a Texas CHL? Or do they allow me to use my Michigan CPL while holding a Texas ID?...
Click to expand...
Good question. However, I also just noticed at Handgunlaw.us that Texas offers a non-resident permit for which you can apply on-line.
 
You said Michigan. Sorry but Yankees need a special visa to enter Texas. Unfortunately, California has filled up the available quota (they fall under that section) so you'll be stopped at the border. Sorry. :p:p:p

If you walk around in an urban setting in Texas with a rifle very quickly you are going to go to jail or maybe even be shot. Especially, if you're from North of the border...;)

Having said that Texas laws are very open in regards to firearms now. It is perfectly legal to have them in your vehicle as long as not in plain sight.
 
Last edited:
You said Michigan. Sorry but Yankees need a special visa to enter Texas. Unfortunately, California has filled up the available quota (they fall under that section) so you'll be stopped at the border. Sorry.

If you walk around in an urban setting in Texas with a rifle very quickly you are going to go to jail or maybe even be shot. Especially, if you're from North of the border...

Having said that Texas laws are very open in regards to firearms now. It is perfectly legal to have them in your vehicle as long as not in plain sight.
Click to expand...

1. Fortunately for me I'm not from here and not looking to move to Austin... phew.

2. Yes I noticed all the videos on youtube of the guys carrying rifles getting slaughtered and or dragged off to prison.

3.And I thought Michigans gun laws were bad. With my CPL I can have a pistol in plain sight in my vehicle and open carry is not illegal. If not for that pesky handgun registration thing Michigan would be gun shangri-la(compared to Texas as you explain it) since they allow SBS and SBR now along with all those other nfa goodies.

Oh and Frank thanks for the tip on the non resident chl. I'm not so sure itll work since Michigan doesn't allow for them. But its worth a look. Or I could just get the virginia one online since it requires no classroom or range time. Thats all been taken care of many times over in NRA classes IMHO.
 
My letter to Texas open Carry

I sent the following at THEIR WEBSITE CONTACT PAGE:

While I support your right to carry, the manner in which you are carrying out your campaign is alienating even the most ardent carry supporters. You have alienated businesses like Sonic, Chipotle, and Chili's joined Starbucks, Wendy's, Jack in the Box, and Applebee's and you have bolstered our enemies cause. You have given them bragging rights that they could never get on their own.

I don't patronize any of the above, except Sonic, and I will miss going there because I have to support the cause; but there will come a time where your actions will even alienate me and that is saying a lot.

I have been in this fight since before California's Prop 15 which I lobbied and voted against. That's a long damned time. I am also one of the people who helped make Mr. Roberti -- of the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapon ban -- into a private citizen. So I am not your Johnny-come-lately to this dance.

Even you have to admit that at some point you are doing more damage than good for the rest of the nation in your efforts to change your local politics.

I hope you eventually wake up to that fact.
Click to expand...
 
Tom Servo said:
Unfortunately, Chris Cox has since backpedaled from that statement. This means Grisham will see it as a win and continue being a problem for everyone. They're now doing open-carry walks in Target stores.
Click to expand...

Do you have any links or recent articles on OCT's walks in Target stores?

I did the Google and found a few articles, but they were about Moms Demand Action using OCT Facebook photos from back in March to pressure Target to ban guns.

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/moms-...et-stores-after-finding-old-open-carry-photo/

I could not find any Target walks or photos since Grisham and OCT posted their strategy change back on 5/23?
 
I could not find any Target walks or photos since Grisham and OCT posted their strategy change back on 5/23?
Click to expand...
Maybe not, but the horse has left the barn.

The last Target walk that I know of was in March, but MDA, Mother Jones, and HuffPo got pictures and quotes, and they will use those at every opportunity. The image of poorly-groomed twenty somethings strolling down the baby aisle with military rifles strapped on is pure public-relations gold for them.

The damage is done, and Grisham's attempt to stem the bleeding really isn't much help.
 
Nice pic...

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/moms-...et-stores-after-finding-old-open-carry-photo/

Possible captions:

Armed Thugs Invade Target Demand Huggies

Armed Gunmen Holdup Target Take Oreos and Cliff Bar

Gunmen Swarm Store, Confused By Name
"Honest mistake", says spokesman, "We thought it was a shooting range"

Thugs send Warning to Moms and Children: "Carry a Weapon or Else!"

"American Taliban" stage protest, demand Target cease selling shaving razors to men and women.

Armed Gunmen say "We're not Thugs! We're Caucasian Twenty Something Hipsters with Guns!"

tipoc
 
Grisham can gripe "that was back in March!" all he wants. The picture still exists, and it will still be used. What he (and too many others) fail to grasp is that you can't "take things back" from the internet.
 
Yes, the pictures exist, but they are not new or "Now" as you implied. IMO your comment implies that OCT is "Now" doing walks at Target after OCT released a statement declaring a change in strategy and no more OC rifles into private businesses.

This means Grisham will see it as a win and continue being a problem for everyone. They're now doing open-carry walks in Target stores.
Click to expand...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top