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Now we're going to have anti gun proponents walking into businesses everywhere with rifles just to get them to change their policies.
 
Mike I - If I truly shared what I thought about this I'd probably be pilloried and thrown off TFL.
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I'm with ya there Mike!

They don't seem to get the fact that their actions are hurting all of us and making a open carry bill very hard to get past.
 
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It just boggles my mind that clownhall.com (oops, did I really say that? :o) categorizes the Mom's Demand Action activity as a "politicial stunt."
 
I will never understand the mindset of people who do this. I truly believe it is a narcissistic need for attention that causes them to strap ARs on and parade into a restaurant. I find it hard to believe that someone can be so dense to not realize they are doing more harm than good in terms of how the public perceives guns.

One of my favorite quotes from the movie Snatch, seems to apply here: "Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."
 
I will never understand the mindset of people who do this.
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I think many of these folks feel like their gun rights are so secure that they have nothing to worry about. I run into it here in Georgia and it appears that many in Texas feel the same way. However, it doesn’t take a political scientist or demographic expert to realize that many of these States may only be an election cycle or two away from seeing major changes in current gun laws.
 
I will never understand the mindset of people who do this. I truly believe it is a narcissistic need for attention that causes them to strap ARs on and parade into a restaurant.
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Actually, you answered your own question. They're pretending the ban is the result of some "culture war," but nobody is that stupid. It's happening because people can't show simple discretion and manners.

The anti-gun groups get to chalk up a very public victory, but at least Joe Bob and friends get a cool picture to share on the internet.
 
I agree with all the above. As far as Heinlein's book - it was NOT an argument for the 2nd Amend. Far from it.

It might be an argument for a 1911 over energy weapons - read it.

If you want a genetic tyranny and have to be subservient to young jerks with guns - that was the society and the hero had many problems with it.
 
Open Carry Texas founder C.J. Grisham told Forbes that this past weekend’s activity was not a demonstration, but simply a meal following an event.

“We don’t go there just to carry guns into a restaurant,” he said. “We always let the manager know we’re coming. We try very hard to make people feel comfortable.”

Grisham said his group’s policy is to send an unarmed person into a restaurant to seek permission to dine and to warn staff and customers in advance.

“We’re peaceful, we’re looking for a place to eat, but we have guns,” he said. “If we’re not welcome, we’re not going to spend money there.”
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I am not sure why anyone is throwing this at the feet of Grisham and Open Carry Texas. I don't see anything wrong with this approach.

Now the photo of those two with their long guns on display which they posted to youtube is absolutely indefensible. The article says these two had nothing to do with Open carry Texas, this photo was posted on a facebook page and it looks like it has been removed cause the link to it is broke.

Now I am not saying that the demonstrations and parading of firearms into businesses is correct, I think you guys are right and that it is simply incredibly disrespectful to the owners of these businesses.

But I am also not sure that it's right to lay this on Grisham and Open Carry Texas, not going by what is written in this article while keeping in mind that this article doesn't look to have been written by a gun friendly reporter.

Now I don't know anything of Grisham and Open Carry Texas prior to this article and if they have a history of creating controversies then maybe this is more of the same. So my experience is limited to only this article when it comes to this group.
 
On another note, what's to say that these aren't false flat incidents, meant to turn people against gun ownership in general, because "look at the crazy gun people carrying into family restaurants"
 
I don't follow this group, Open Carry Texas or this Grisham guy, closely. The only time I see or hear anything from them it is something portraying gun owners in a negative way. I really wish they would go away or at least come out and declare that they are really part of the anti-gun crowd. Their antics seem to do more good for the antis than for real gun owners. Really! Carrying "assault rifles" into a family restaurant! What idiots. There are some rough places in the Dallas area, but I don't think Chipotles is one of them. I too would go on high alert if I saw those guys coming in openly carrying rifles or unholstered handguns. Even the appearance of the guys in the picture is questionable as to supporting any cause. I normally try to not be too judgmental of appearances, but in this case I think the impression is not good. Those guys looked like possible militia or gang members, or at least wannabes. Not good for any cause.
 
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I too would go on high alert if I saw those guys coming in openly carrying rifles or unholstered handguns.
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Would you KMAX?

After this?

“We always let the manager know we’re coming. We try very hard to make people feel comfortable.”

Grisham said his group’s policy is to send an unarmed person into a restaurant to seek permission to dine and to warn staff and customers in advance.

“We’re peaceful, we’re looking for a place to eat, but we have guns,” he said. “If we’re not welcome, we’re not going to spend money there.”
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So your a gun guy and some dude comes in unarmed and let's you know some open carry guys are coming in to eat, they spoke with the manager who said they were welcome and could could come on in. And still you would go on red alert?

Sounds absolutely unbelievable to me.
 
Even the appearance of the guys in the picture is questionable as to supporting any cause.
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And the picture is of two other yahooes who are not Open Carry Texas guys and it seems they were not even in the restaurant on the same day, it's just a separate incident and the photo is being used because it is generating exactly this kind of reaction from people who can't be bothered to actually read a news article or the forum posts immediately before their own.
 
lcpiper: I am only a simple civilian. I don't assign a color code to my alerts so I don't know if it would be red, orange, yellow or what. I, however, never fully trust anyone, armed, unarmed, warned, or unwarned. Maybe I am paranoid or maybe it is just too many years of unkept promises. "I promise it's not loaded." "I promise I won't wreck your car." "I promise I'll pay you back." etc.

The main thing here is a family dining establishment in NOT the proper venue for a firearms rally or protest or whatever you want to call this circus.
 
What this all sounds like to me as an attack in Texas by Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action who is of course backed by Mike Bloomberg, on gun rights. It would seem that Mom's Demand Action will do anything including bald faced lies in order to pressure businesses and others to fall in line.

It also looks like Open Carry Texas and C.J. Grisham are not smart enough to figure this out and keep trying to fight Mom's with Assault Rifles. Every time Open Carry Texas has an event Mom's Demand Action is there to try and make it look like a nightmare of insurrection. They must even have a cop or two on the take because they seem to have no problem with telling lies to the media for the splash effect.

Open Carry Texas and C.J. Grisham need to get smarter, they are losing this one because by taking it to the public they are in fact setting themselves up to be handed over to their enemies in the media.
 
lcpiper: Sorry if it upsets you. but I try to look at things as I think a lot of people might look at them, not simply based on my own beliefs. The photo is connected with the subject whether legitimately or not. It is a negative photo from an anti view. As I tried to explain to my 16 year old nephew appearances are important. Maybe you have heard the expression, "First impressions are lasting impressions."?
 
I'm sorry KMAX, I you did say "High Alert" and not "Red Alert", my mistake.

Did you by chance pick up on the little fact that no where in the article does it actually say that on this day, Open carry Texas brought any long guns into the restaurant? That's correct, the article actually doesn't say that. Read it.

And according to Open carry Texas they didn't have a meeting, a rally, or anything other then they stopped in to eat. They finished their event previously and went to get eat.
 
Did you by chance pick up on the little fact that no where in the article does it actually say that on this day, Open carry Texas brought any long guns into the restaurant? That's correct, the article actually doesn't say that. Read it.
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I suppose I probably didn't read closely enough. I am guilty of what I am afraid most people would do reading and only digesting part of the info. Picked out bits of info and pieced my own story together.

Also, consider too many years of no open carry and sensationalized stories and events like the Killeen Luby's shooting, mall shootings, workplace shootings, etc. We can thank the news media for my caution.
 
Did you by chance pick up on the little fact that no where in the article does it actually say that on this day, Open carry Texas brought any long guns into the restaurant? That's correct, the article actually doesn't say that. Read it.
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It doesn't matter. They're the ones who got the ball rolling with these "demonstrations," and this is the consequence.

The media does guilt by association all the time, and this is just one example. We either learn to work with that or we don't.

ETA: if anyone's curious, the guy on the right is Flakoo Delcampo. His Facebook page has been scrubbed, but some of it is reprinted here (profanity warning). It looks like his only interaction with the RKBA involves posing with his guns.
 
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