First gun, for protection?

Maxine

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I'm looking to get a single handgun. I'm not a gun enthusiast, not really in love with the things, but I do want to be safe. I want to get a CCW permit, and a good solid carry gun. Expense is a big concern, as I simply do not make, or ever have, much money. However, reliability is a must. I'm also inclined toward revolvers, as I read that they're more reliable and you don't need to be an engineering genius to clean and maintain them. The simpler, the better.

From doing some research, a .38 snubnose revolver looks good. I may (will probably) have to buy used. Any advice you can give to get me started with the purchase (not to mention permits/license) would be very much appreciated.
 
how much money are you speaking here? I wouldn't go used but thats just my opinon.

google taurs CIA650 .357 mgnum revolver stainless steel 2" barrel 23.9 oz
 
If you go with a revolver, go with one that has a 4 inch barrel. That is a medium length barrel that will help control recoil. A snub nosed revolver is nice but they can have a harsher kick to them.
 
If you are looking at used revolvers...

... it is very, very hard to go wrong with a Smith&Wesson K-frame.

Rifleman 173 is right about 4" revolvers being easier to shoot than snubbies; whether you can conceal a 4" revolver is another matter. Depends on your body type, and how you dress.

One of the forum members, Pax, has a website called corneredcat.com, which has a lot of good info for new shooters. While it's primarily geared toward women, it's generally useful for either gender. She discusses weapon selection, holsters, etc.

My personal input - research some models to make a list of possible choices with good reliability; from those, find something that feels good in your hand, and that has a comfortable trigger pull and reach. It's hard to make yourself practice enough with a gun that is uncomfortable to hold or shoot.

Good luck,

M
 
You may be able to find a good Smith and Wesson 36 for a good price. They seem to show up every now and then for $300 or less. There's nothing wrong with going used, Smith and Wesson is built to last a lifetime and will if it is taken care of. Check out the sticky about checking out used revolvers. It's very good.
 
First, I agree with the prior posters that you should go with a larger-framed 4"-barrel revolver rather than a compact snubby.

Smaller guns are hard to control because their lighter weight does less to mitigate recoil; remember, every action has an equal or opposite reaction, so the force propelling the bullet forward creates an equal force pushing the gun backward. If the gun has more mass, the force have less of an effect. I like to put it this way. You have 3 choices- a small and lightweight gun, a powerful cartridge, and mild recoil- but you can only pick 2. :) In other words, if you want a small gun, you either learn to handle stiff recoil, or you pick a cartridge that may not be powerful enough to get the job done (such as .22LR, .32ACP, or .32 Long). For a beginner, a heavier gun is a better choice because stiff recoil often creates an accuracy-destroying flinch. :(

Another factor is the distance between the front and rear sights, known in gun jargon as "sight radius". The greater the sight radius, the easier it is to spot a misalignment between the front and rear sights. Consequently, it's more difficult to align the sights when the barrel is very short. Proper sight alignment is very important to accuracy, so the easier it is to line up the sights, the better.

Regarding revolver versus automatic, there are two things that many beginners fail to consider when checking them out. First, a double-action revolver (the kind where the hammer cocks itself as the trigger is pulled, rather than having to be manually cocked before each shot) will necessarily have a long and heavy trigger pull. Keeping the sights aligned while pulling the heavy trigger is difficult and requires lots of practice. For this reason, most beginners have an easier time shooting an automatic with its relatively shorter, crisper trigger pull. Second, IMHO most modern automatics are easier to clean than revolvers, and this is coming from a diehard revolver nut! :) Yes, they have to be partially taken apart to do this- known as "field-stripping"- but most newer designs are very easy to field-strip; it can generally be done in less than a minute without tools (although this varies from gun to gun). However, automatics only have one part that really needs to be cleaned thoroughly every time- the barrel- whereas revolvers have the barrel, 5-8 individual chambers, and lots of nooks and crannies. Also, if there are unauthorized users in the area- namely children- IMHO the ability to quickly break the gun into 3-4 subassemblies is a better way to prevent unauthorized use than any internal revolver trigger-locking system.

Regarding permits and licensing, you need to tell us your home state to get a comprehensive answer. This matter is almost entirely governed by state law.

Good luck! :D
 
I also vote for a .38 S&W. Given that your not enamored with firearms, and will probably not own more than one, or practice with that very extensively.

I'd recomend a 2" model 10, or model 15. The revolvers have 6 rounds available, and can sit loaded for years and function perfectly when needed. Like any firearm they require some training, and practice to become proficient. They also will shoot a wide variety of .38 ammo. You can even mix it up to your personal concotion of loads.

These particular firearms are commonly refered to as "BELLY GUNS". They are made for close in confrontations, such as many self defense situations will be. They are capable of firing when placed against the body (belly) of your attacker. They make lot of noise, and will usually expell some flame. They are very intimidating. The above guns will also work very well at longer distances.

I recomended S&W products because I believe they are a happy medium between the usually more expensive Colt products, and other less expensive
products such as Rossi, and Taurus. Bases on MY OWN EXPERIENCE the Rossi, and Taurus are less than reliable. Particularly those on the used market.

I also recomend a 2" barrel. I agree with everyone that a 4"barrel is a better shooting, and all round gun. But... I'm guessing that your a woman by the Name. If ever you'd get into a self defense situation the revolver with the 2" will be easier to retain in a tussle, and gives you a few more shooting options.
Both guns have enough heft to counter some recoil.

As everyone has said... Although carrying a firearm is a natural GOD given right, guarenteed by the Constitution. It is also an enormous responsibility. You seriously should get some professional training. Not shooting lessons from a neighbors,uncles friend Bud who onece lived next door to a cop. After that please continue to be responsible and practice at least twice a year.

In my area the firearms I mentioned can be had on the used market. The model 10 from around $250. to $400. The Model 15 will get a bit more.

Hope this helps.

Glenn Dee
 
First, take a handgun safety course/CCW class. Then go rent a few at the range, including semiautos. Try all sizes and calibers, you may just be surprised what strikes your fancy. If you know someone that is 'into firearms', take them with you for safety and support.

What state do you live in? It'll help us determine your local laws.
 
Sounds like you are making the right choice with the snubbie.
Casual shooting is not your primary goal with it and the smaller, lighter guns are much more suited to various concealed carry methods. Meaning it is much easier to dress for the gun.
Contrary to what you might read, you can gain a basic skill level with just a little practice. On the subject of practice with it, how much (your budget can afford) is your choice, but there is no better subsitute than firing it for getting familiar with it and it's workings.


You mentioned the permit/CCW process, but did not say where you are out of. State laws concerning firearms vary widely to say the least.

Before buying.
I would recommend a rental range if available to check some different pistols out. If none are around, stop in at an area gun store. They will be able to put you in contact with the nearest local range/gun club.
Even if the club is private, I can assure you there will be shooters who will be able to help you with shooting fundamentals/use of their pistols to try with no price tag attached. You will find by and large that gun club members are the kind of people you would like for your neighbors.

I applaud your decision not to be a victim and encourage you to follow through.

JT
 
I'd ditto the recommendations for a DA revolver with a 4" barrel. I'd also respectfully suggest that you enroll in a professionally run basic handgun training class, no matter what you chose to purchase. The mere acquisition of a firearm does not automatically render one either "armed" nor "protected". These are a function of one's mindset and practiced skills. I would also strongly suggest that you make the commitment to yourself to put forth the time and effort necessary to maintain a basic level of familarity and proficiency with your weapon after your initial training.
 
Any gun requires practice. Don't forget it. I learned to shoot a snubnose revolver FIRST. It is definitely a "baptism by fire" experience. They have a bad sight radius and have recoil is a LITTLE worse than an auto.

All that stated, I say to go for it. My reason is based from my own experience, it seems that if you can become a DECENT shot with a snub then you can (relatively speaking) easily adjust and learn other pistols.

I have said it numerous times, (unless you need something for hunting) a .38 snubbie is the most versatile gun to own. The caliber is good (but not toouch for a beginner), the size makes it great for concealment, ease of operation is simple, there aren't any safeties to slow you down, it's just draw/aim/fire.

I do not know your budget, your finances are none of my business and I can relate to not having alot of money for bills (let alone other purchases) BUT this is something you may need to save your life. I would scrimp, save and cash-in my change jar to get the money required to buy a good new/used gun.

The two manufacturers (of revolvers) I personally believe in to recommend are Smith & Wesson and Ruger. I have a couple friends that regularly carry Taurus snubs and they love them.

I won't suggest them simply because the seem to be COMPLETELY hit or miss on their quality control. Out of the dozen or so, I've handled, they were either great or garbage with not much in between. I feel safer with another brand. YMMV.

Going back to the price issue. S&W
has a $50 rebate on the j-frame airweights. If you shop around you can find them brand new around $400 which makes it $350 after the rebate. That's hard to beat.
 
If it is for CCW I disagree with the recommnedation of a 4" revolver. I would look at the Ruger LCR or a Smith and Wesson J Frame - the 637 Chief's Special or other J Frame. Going to a range and renting guns is a very good idea. Shop around and get a gun that feels right. With some practice you will find the .38 Special snub nose is easy to shoot. My wife uses a J frame with standard pressure ammunition - Low Recoil Federal Premium 110 grain Hydra-Shok ammunition and the Buffalo Bore 150 grain hard cast wadcutter. She is 5' 4" and 120 lbs and does not like recoil. Both are very effective and low recoil. Bottom line, I believe you will find the 4' revolver to be "clunky" and and "anchor" compared to a gun that weighs half as much. For your nightstand and things that go bump in the night 4" revolver is great choice but lighter is better if you are carrying it around. That is why all the new guns for CCW are going light - clear trend. No manufacturer is comming out with heavier, larger, CCW handguns. Check it out for yourself and you can find the right gun. For me lighter is better - every ounce counts.
 
My recomendation depends upon.....

.... how much you expect to actually use it.

If you are going to buy it, leave it in a box in a closet, and never shoot it, just to have "a gun" then get the cheapest thing you can find.

If you are going to actually Carry the gun, but not practice regularly with it, get a lightweight .38 special j-frame sized gun.... just realize the accuracy limitations that come with a lighteight gun with a 2" barrel you have not practiced with: conversation distance effectiveness. S&W and Charter Arms can be had for less than $400 new or $300 used. They would work, carry easily, though they are not great fun to shoot, and are difficult to shoot well.



If you are going to actually shoot it much, and are set on Carrying a revolver, ...I'd recommend a Ruger sp101 for a first revolver. Get the .357 with the 3 1/16" barrel. It is heavy for it's size and the weight soaks up recoil forces well, particularly if you are shooting .38 special through it. You may find that shooting is more fun than you thought it would be, if you can hit what you are aiming at and it does not hurt (full house .357 magnum loads through a lightweight j-frame sized snubby are said to "kill on one end and maim on the other").

That said, I have found it easier to carry a semi-auto than a revolver, as they are flat- they carry inside the waistband more comfortably. A 9mm is cheaper to feed than a .38, too, and just as effective in self-defense loadings.
 
Firstly, let me assure everyone that I've identified a professional training course. I'll be taking lessons, and learning not only how to shoot, but how to take care of and be safe with a firearm when I'm *not* shooting. I want it to be safe when I don't need to use it (hopefully, I never will) but be capable of using it if, God forbid, I ever do need it.

That 38 snubnoses don't have safety is a big concern. I'll be carrying it if I can, and even around the house I'm concerned. I only will have adults about the house, so I don't need to worry about children, but I'm still concerned. Also, I don't want any accidents when I reach into my handbag. How do you carry a firearm without a safety while guarding against mishaps?

I'll have to find out if there's a firing range where I can rent firearms and try them out. I'd never heard of this, and that seems like a great way to learn what works best for me. The snub does appeal to me for carrying because of the weight and the compact size, although I'll have to see if I can handle the recoil.

EDIT: Oh, and I live in California, in the Bay Area. Any knowledge about permits, or resources in the area are welcome!
 
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Personally I feel if your not going to practice and shoot it on a regular basis then don't even bother getting one.

If you can't use it proficiently and safely then it's not something you should even consider.

You should budget in the expense of the gun money to practice and even a training course. If you can't afford to shoot it then it's not going to be much use to you if you ever needed it!

Practice at least once a month minimum and it would be better if you could hit the range twice a month. Shooting skills are not like ridding a bike. They require lots of practice to keep your abilities up at a safe level.

Edit: I posted right after you Maxine. Your heading done the right track.
 
honestly, the first questions I'd be asking myself is,
How often am I going to shoot?
How much am I willing to spend.

If you want something you can just buy, and leave in your nightstand and pick it up only when needed. Revolvers are you best choice.

If you plan and shooting, a few times a year and don't mind a little cleaning and maintenance, automatics are an option, tho revolvers are still a great choice.

Then I'd choose a caliber, if I had a family living with me or living in an apartment with neighbors surrounding me, I'd be concerned about having a real big fast bullet going through the walls potentially hurting someone on the other side. If I'm living alone, pretty secluded, the biggest baddest round my hands can handle. After that, I'd start looking at guns. Once you find something you like, try and shoot it, or rent one at a local range. Remember guns are like women, you never know what your gonna get until you get them in the sack, so get laid at your local range today.
 
Agent Tikki:I live in an apartment complex. Your comment about caliber is well taken. We don't exactly have brick and steel walls, so what would you recommend?
 
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