First .45 acp?
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Ruger SR series are great guns for the price and work flawless ...adjustable sights. Good advice here...
tahunua001
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although I own and love an SR series pistol, I was under the impression that there were recurring issues with the SR45s.
I tried to resist the 1911 and was successful for 25 years. After that it all went to hell in a handbasket. As others have said its all about the fit in the hand. The biggest problem with resisting the 1911 in my opinion is the trigger that comes with any 1911. So smooth and easy. At your price point I think I would go with a CZ97B but I like steel vs polymer, not saying that I don't own any polymer pistols I do, I just like steel more. CZ97B MSRP $707.00 street 650 or so.
here is the average joe review:
http://averagejoeshandgunreviews.blogspot.com/2013/04/cz-97b-45-acp.html
here is the average joe review:
http://averagejoeshandgunreviews.blogspot.com/2013/04/cz-97b-45-acp.html
RyanCW said:
I had a full size M&P 45. Good ergos. Natural pointer. Very accurate. I liked it a lot. But it had one issue - it wasn't a 1911. I traded it on a pristine 1976 Government Model a few years back.
No regrets.
I also have another M&P, a compact 9mm. Another excellent pistol.
I do like 1911,s and have several but love my G21. Am building up another g21 out of my g20 and will get new g41 with red dot reflex soon-699.99 without reflex site.
But aside from glocks have been very interested in sig 220 or new 227! I think for all metal .45.
Prob. Tad over 600.00 budget but too all how does sig compare with 1911.
But aside from glocks have been very interested in sig 220 or new 227! I think for all metal .45.
Prob. Tad over 600.00 budget but too all how does sig compare with 1911.
Pietro Beretta
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If you haven't felt the trigger pull of a SAO trigger.... you don't know what your missing.
I think you will be amazed how different an SAO trigger, like on the 1911, is than a striker fired pistol. I had no idea, my 1911 has a close place in my heart as the best shooter in my collection. Best trigger hands down and is a soft shooter.
My current EDC is a XD Mod.2 45 3.3".
Have you looked at the cost of .45 ammo? You willing to swallow the extra cost, walmart WWB: $24.64 - 9mm vs $37.97 - .45 per 100.
I think you will be amazed how different an SAO trigger, like on the 1911, is than a striker fired pistol. I had no idea, my 1911 has a close place in my heart as the best shooter in my collection. Best trigger hands down and is a soft shooter.
My current EDC is a XD Mod.2 45 3.3".
Have you looked at the cost of .45 ammo? You willing to swallow the extra cost, walmart WWB: $24.64 - 9mm vs $37.97 - .45 per 100.
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Tucker 1371
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I love my Colt, but if I were going to buy another .45 it would be the EAA SAR K2. Hard to argue with 14 rounds of .45 built on the CZ75 action and priced at under $400. And it has a great reputation to boot.
I'm a 1911 guy...have been for 50 years or so...carried them in combat, and on the street as a civilian...that said, I'll readily admit that the damned things are heavy on the hip, the all steel variety, whether 5"ers or the Commander length. Even the alloy frame models are bit hefty in my opinion.
All of mine have been good to great, functioning wise and with good accuracy as well. Good being defined as 5 shot groups right down near 2" at 25 yds from rest with chosen ammunition. I've owned Colts by the dozen literally and still have a pair of Gold Cups, but the rest have been appropriated by sons and nephews. I also currently own and shoot, a pair of Rugers in each length and a WWll Remington-Rand 1911a1, as well as a personal favorite, Sig's 1911 RCS. With good barrels and decent lock up, they all shoot well; even the RR WWll model.
A while back, a friend brought his G21 out to our farm for a try-out, and I was all set to hate the thing. Picked it up the first time like a dead rat, but that changed when I shot it. Like all Glocks it felt like a block of 2x4 in my hands, but it shot right along with my other .45's. Amazing...it's easily a 3" gun at 25 yds pistol and may be better with selected ammunition and padnuh its LIGHT. Feels lighter than even the alloy frame 1911 Commanders. Part of that 'feel' is that any Glock has a much lower bore axis in relation to the web of the firing hand. Recoil is still .45...but is more in a straight back fashion than any 1911. As a result it's muzzle flip is decidedly less. Some time I'd like to compare that G21 with a 1911 and my Sig 220 [which has a bore axis higher than the 1911], just to see how each responds to follow up shots in controlled pairs.
For CC with a .45, if you can get used to the grip feel, the Glock 21 might be a great choice...it's that good in my opinion. My friend's G21 was new out of the box that first day and it ran 100% with any and all ammunition we tried...all of it was jacketed however, as the Glock's rifling is not suited to cast, lead alloy bullets...a deal breaker for me as 99% of my .45 shooting is with my own cast bullets. An after market barrel from Lone Wolf or Storm Lake might solve that problem however.
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All of mine have been good to great, functioning wise and with good accuracy as well. Good being defined as 5 shot groups right down near 2" at 25 yds from rest with chosen ammunition. I've owned Colts by the dozen literally and still have a pair of Gold Cups, but the rest have been appropriated by sons and nephews. I also currently own and shoot, a pair of Rugers in each length and a WWll Remington-Rand 1911a1, as well as a personal favorite, Sig's 1911 RCS. With good barrels and decent lock up, they all shoot well; even the RR WWll model.
A while back, a friend brought his G21 out to our farm for a try-out, and I was all set to hate the thing. Picked it up the first time like a dead rat, but that changed when I shot it. Like all Glocks it felt like a block of 2x4 in my hands, but it shot right along with my other .45's. Amazing...it's easily a 3" gun at 25 yds pistol and may be better with selected ammunition and padnuh its LIGHT. Feels lighter than even the alloy frame 1911 Commanders. Part of that 'feel' is that any Glock has a much lower bore axis in relation to the web of the firing hand. Recoil is still .45...but is more in a straight back fashion than any 1911. As a result it's muzzle flip is decidedly less. Some time I'd like to compare that G21 with a 1911 and my Sig 220 [which has a bore axis higher than the 1911], just to see how each responds to follow up shots in controlled pairs.
For CC with a .45, if you can get used to the grip feel, the Glock 21 might be a great choice...it's that good in my opinion. My friend's G21 was new out of the box that first day and it ran 100% with any and all ammunition we tried...all of it was jacketed however, as the Glock's rifling is not suited to cast, lead alloy bullets...a deal breaker for me as 99% of my .45 shooting is with my own cast bullets. An after market barrel from Lone Wolf or Storm Lake might solve that problem however.
HTH's Rod
Guggmeister
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I paid 350€ for my 97b. It needed work - the feed ramp was machined off-center(!). I put on the thin aluminium grips and did some trigger work too. Accurate gun, but the magazines suck.
Pietro Beretta
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You reloading hot rodfac? No pun intended but from 9 to 45, Glock to Whatnot, my 1911 pushes back with less mussle flip than a Glock of similar size and same caliber.
If your talking from a commander, I can agree with you more but on a full frame, maybe exaggerating much?
I wouldn't, couldn't ccw a full frame any gun, a poly is going to be much easier to carry any day, that's for sure.
If your talking from a commander, I can agree with you more but on a full frame, maybe exaggerating much?
I wouldn't, couldn't ccw a full frame any gun, a poly is going to be much easier to carry any day, that's for sure.
Tactical Jackalope
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My first .45 was a 1911 and my favorite .45 is my HK USP 45.
The ones you mentioned are good to go! Bud's sometimes has some used M&P 45s for sale for about $345-$400! Check them out.
The ones you mentioned are good to go! Bud's sometimes has some used M&P 45s for sale for about $345-$400! Check them out.
stagpanther
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Well--you might take a look at my recent XD report--I can say this gun shoots great (better than my compact 9mm, but that might be my fault) and is built like a tank, even though it's polymer there's still a significant amount of steel in it. Only handgun I've ever bought that I was satisfied with the stock trigger set-up. Highly recommend you at least try one at your local LGS/range--it fits right in at your price point. I have a high-power Glock 20 set-up as well, but there just isn't as much gun there and I have to do the guide-rod spring merry-go-round when changing power-level loads. XD eats them all and cycles them all with no complaints.
I may have missed it, but I don't believe anyone has mentioned the Grand Power P45. Grand Power seems to be a bit of a hidden gem right now. Their guns use a rotating barrel system similar to that of the Beretta/Stoeger Cougar and Beretta PX4, but using a different design iirc. Lots of good reviews have been popping up about the various Grand Power models, especially since the newer mk12 models have seemed to smooth out the issues some experienced with the mk7 models. If I were to own a .45 outside of a 1911, which I also don't own YET, it would most likely either be another large, all steel pistol, or one that utilizes the rotating barrel system to manage recoil.
Guggmeister
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It's the most accurate 45 I have. I have two 1911s and the cz97b. I'd still go for the 1911 for spare parts availability and customization options... and magazine availability etc.
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Of the two you've asked about, I know and own the M&P45c. I also own two Glocks but not the model you've asked about (the G20 and G29). Happy to say I absolutely love the 1911 (and own one), and 5 years ago was a full up 1911 bigot. It's still to this day, IMO, an extraordinary firearm. I carry the MP45c, and have to say it is the handgun I shoot more accurately and confidently than any handgun I've ever handled. I found the trigger out of the box to be pretty much 'nasty', but that's true with many handguns these days and IMO Glock is certainly the apex of crap triggers. The M&P triggers aren't great, either. But, super easy to fix, and relatively cheap to replace with better feeling triggers.
I'm able to shoot my M&P45c faster and more accurately than any other handgun I've fired, as well, and it's comfortable to hold and to carry. I've also owned a Sig P220, and absolutely love shooting the P229, so I'm not biased against the Sig option. Sometimes you really have to shoot them to know them...but I have to say a plastic pistol was out of the question when I range tested about 5 handguns, including an HK, a Glock, a Sig compact and the M&P. For me, the M&P was the no-contest winner of the bunch, and 5 years later I feel the same way.
Your choice would ideally come from a similar 'no contest' experience after shooting what's available. Hopefully, something would really stand out for you. For me, Glock and HK 'really stood out', but at the bottom of the heap.
I also carry the G29, and must say I love it, despite it feeling a bit like a brick compared to an actual handgun made for a human. But, it's 10mm, it shoots well, and it carries well. So, I find it an exceptional carry gun and have pumped probably 5,000 rds through it now so it doesn't feel so weird anymore.
But in 45, the M&P45 compact is, for me, the most ideal size there is for a 45 carry. I highly recommend a look-see. Naturally, if it's just a range toy and carry isn't a concern, you've got a lot of options where size and weight may not be big concerns.
I'm able to shoot my M&P45c faster and more accurately than any other handgun I've fired, as well, and it's comfortable to hold and to carry. I've also owned a Sig P220, and absolutely love shooting the P229, so I'm not biased against the Sig option. Sometimes you really have to shoot them to know them...but I have to say a plastic pistol was out of the question when I range tested about 5 handguns, including an HK, a Glock, a Sig compact and the M&P. For me, the M&P was the no-contest winner of the bunch, and 5 years later I feel the same way.
Your choice would ideally come from a similar 'no contest' experience after shooting what's available. Hopefully, something would really stand out for you. For me, Glock and HK 'really stood out', but at the bottom of the heap.
I also carry the G29, and must say I love it, despite it feeling a bit like a brick compared to an actual handgun made for a human. But, it's 10mm, it shoots well, and it carries well. So, I find it an exceptional carry gun and have pumped probably 5,000 rds through it now so it doesn't feel so weird anymore.
But in 45, the M&P45 compact is, for me, the most ideal size there is for a 45 carry. I highly recommend a look-see. Naturally, if it's just a range toy and carry isn't a concern, you've got a lot of options where size and weight may not be big concerns.
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