FBI is officially moving back to 9mm. Awesome.

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Uncle Malice

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When I first got into guns some years ago now, I started with 40 in the Glock 23. Actually, my first gun was a used Glock 21, but before I even shot it, I determined it was too large for me as I was looking for a carry gun and traded it to the G23.

Anyways, after a year or two of shooting 40, I had also acquired 9mm and 45acp guns. I certainly preferred shooting 9mm and 45 to the 40. For the past couple of years now, I've really moved to 9mm and 45 almost exclusively. My only 40 is the LE trade-in M&P that I recently picked up from Bud's for $349 just to have a 40 in case of another ammo crisis and that's all that is available.

At any rate, I've come to really prefer 9mm for all of my carry guns. Higher capacity, lower recoil, and lower cost-per-round are some of the biggest reasons why I prefer 9mm in my carry guns.

Certainly not looking for a caliber war thread here, but I just read this article about the FBI officially moving back to 9mm and their memo to national law enforcement.

A good read. http://loadoutroom.com/12077/fbi-going-9mm-comes-science/
 
Nothing wrong with a 9, especially with today's HP offerings. My wife has two (G19 & LC9). I wouldn't rely on FMJ rounds though.
I personally prefer the 45acp. I've owned & carried a 1911 since the early 90's & that's what I'm most comfortable with. But to each their own.
 
I traded my only 40 (229) for a 45 (220) this past spring. Along the way I picked up another 9mm.

The only thing that makes me want another 40 is I have a set of carbide dies and probably 1k of factory 40 on hand, along with probably 500 brass.
 
My God.

I predict this will lead to the uneccesary deaths of many FBI agents due to failure to stop incidents. What is the world coming to??
 
My God.

I predict this will lead to the uneccesary deaths of many FBI agents due to failure to stop incidents. What is the world coming to??
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Can't tell if sarcastic or not. Can only assume that is the case. :D
 
Should have gone 50 AE.

In all seriousness though that anyone read the Miami report and decided choice of handgun caliber was the biggest issue there still boggles me to this day.
 
In all seriousness though that anyone read the Miami report and decided choice of handgun caliber was the biggest issue there still boggles me to this day.
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The FBI was strongly pre-disposed to come up with a conclusion that blamed equipment because of an unwillingness to blame tactics, training or the agents on the scene.

Add to that the fact that there were ambitious people waiting in the wings who realized that there was money to be made and reputations to be built by telling the FBI what they wanted to hear.

Careers were made and destroyed and a TON of misinformation was dispensed in the 3 decades that elapsed before sanity was restored.
 
Based on what I just read, the 40sw should have never been loaded so hot anyway. Either that or the bullet should weigh no more than 165gr, to reduce operating pressure and recoil.
 
Based on what I just read, the 40sw should have never been loaded so hot anyway.
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That, or the case shouldn't have been cut so short.

As it is, several police departments have been readopting 9mm due to ammunition shortages and cost. The Georgia State Patrol is switching after a long misadventure with .45 GAP.
 
Evil Monkey said:
Based on what I just read, the 40sw should have never been loaded so hot anyway. Either that or the bullet should weigh no more than 165gr, to reduce operating pressure and recoil.
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Have you forgotten that the FBI initially wanted to adopt the 10mm, but too many of their agents found that to be too "hot." So the .40 S&W was developed as a sort of "10mm lite."
 
I own one .40, a shield. I have shot it a total of 5 times(cant bring myself to sell it). had a glock in .40, sold it quickly. I, like the FBI, keep going back to 9mm. I don't know if it's just me, or the 40 is just an inaccurate cartridge, I assume it's me, but I can never shoot a 40 as accurately as a 45 or 9
 
Have you forgotten that the FBI initially wanted to adopt the 10mm, but too many of their agents found that to be too "hot." So the .40 S&W was developed as a sort of "10mm lite."
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In addition, the longer cartridge length of the 10mm in then-existing pistols made it difficult for those with small hands, especially women, to properly grip a double-stack, hi-cap 10mm. That's why the .40 SW is a short cartridge, to make it easier to grip with hi-cap mags.
 
Have you forgotten that the FBI initially wanted to adopt the 10mm, but too many of their agents found that to be too "hot." So the .40 S&W was developed as a sort of "10mm lite."
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I know all that. I still think the 40sw is too hot as well, for operating safety.

the .45 GAP is the answer to a question nobody asked.
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This made me LOL.:D
 
Either that or the bullet should weigh no more than 165gr, to reduce operating pressure and recoil.
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Oddly enough, my softest recoiling .40 round is 220gr at 800fps. And that still makes major.;)

Within a broad range of ballistics, accuracy trumps kinetic energy and momentum.
 
That would be great news if I thought the government would be selling those millions of 40S&W rounds they are buying at surplus prices!:D
 
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