Extreamly Paranoid or Being Safe?

It's like my dad always said...

This discussion is starting to remind me of my late dad's definition of the difference between a lunatic and a moron.

Anybody driving faster than you are is a lunatic; anybody driving slower than you are is a moron.

Cheers, "Ringolevio"
 
I dont carry.
I find it inconvenient and uncomfortable.
I like the fact that I have a choice, and I like the fact that no matter where I am , someone else is carrying.

That said,
People are funny creatures.
We each choose which risks to ignore and which risks to prepare for.

Since the odds of falling in the bath tub and suffering major head injury are far greater than a violent home intrusion , most of us would be better better served by wearing a helmet in the shower than carrying a handgun.:D
 
Rusty35, the joke in my family is that as long as we get hit in the head, we are ok. Notoriously thick skulls.

My dad hurt his back in a shower related fall...

The one time I slipped and got hurt, I broke my little toe on the lower faucet. Not much fun.

So, shower injuries: 2, home invasions: 0 in my family, so far.

But then again, look at how many showers we take over a lifetime. That might skew statistics a wee bit.
 
Not even close to being comparable. I wear a helmet while I ride. I'm not thinking about falling off my motorcycle in the house. I keep my fire extinguisher where a fire is most likely to start (kitchen). I have an idea of when and how I would need my helmet and my fire extinguisher. I have no idea when or how I would need my gun. Best to have it on me where I am in control of it, and it's there in the off chance that I need it. For me, it's in my pocket. I rarely think about it.

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Now your just making too much sense for some to comprehend! :eek:
 
Really, these threads boil down to people saying that what they do is reasonable and what other people do is either paranoid or complacent depending on how other people's actions compare to theirs.

Just like opinions, neither right or wrong. Just what makes one feel comfy and cozie.
 
Over the years here thousands have being murder by paramilitarys a lot of them at home.
But i have never felt the need to walk arround the house carrying a gun if they knew you had a gun in the house then they would get you elsewhere at work or put a bomb under your car ect.
I don't think i would like to live my life felling that threatened that i felt the need to walk arround the house carrying a gun.
 
Sorry, I don't feel threatened having my gun on me at all times, I feel secured in the knowledge that if a home invasion occurred, I have more options than my fists. As my CCW instructor taught us, if you are going to carry, carry everywhere you go. He takes his gun out of the safety vault by his bed and puts it on immediately. He has a .357 scandium light weight he always carries in his pocket at all times and has other options in SA for IWB or OWB carry. He is a recognized firearms expert nationally and internationally and testifies in firearms cases quite frequently.

http://www.centertargetsports.com/about_ed_and_peggy.cfm

Ed Santos
Founder and President
Center Target Sports and the Tactical Services Group, Inc.
Ed Santos is a Threat Management Specialist. He serves as an expert witness on matters of personal defense and industrial security. He is a retired Army officer, level one reserve Deputy Sheriff, certified instructor for many Law Enforcement diciplines and Personal Protection. He is a certified Dignitary Protection Specialist, and Dignitary Protection Driver. Ed teaches, leactures and conducts research throughout the United States, Europe, the Middle East, South America and Asia. He has been teaching for over 30 years and has taught at DOD schools and many agencies around the world. He is a frequent presenter at National and International law enforcement confrences and conventions. His 30 year facination with low-light tactical operations has motivated him to develop and implement many low-light training concepts, programs, and courses. His first book titled Rule the Night - Win the Fight was published in 2008 and in 2010 was translated into Chinese. He has written many articles published in law enforcement and security industry magazines. Ed is a member of International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association (ILEETA), International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors (IALEFI), National Tactical Officers Association (NTOA), National Rifle Association (NRA), and Idaho Peace Officers Association (IPOA).

http://east.trexpo.com/Page/Speakers.aspx

I do home hemodialysis and in fact am hooked up right now and I have my SP101 in the crack of my recliner safely secured and easy to reach. Is that paranoid or simply recognizing that I couldn't fight anyone at all with two large needles in my arm.

If I am paranoid, then why does my wife feel safer when I am armed with my weapon? I believe what I learned in my CCW classes at CTS is the right advice, if you are going to carry, carry all the time. Nothing else makes sense.
 
I Would agree if i lived in a war zone. You have to access the risk i am 50 no one has broke into my house yet.
You take a risk getting out of bed and in every other thing we do. Do you stay in bed in case you fall getting out, you probably have more chance of getting killed or injured driving your car do you stop driving your car just in case.

PS if i walked arround the house carrying a loaded gun my wife and friends would think i had lost the plot.
She is a psychiatric nurse she would get me booked in for a assessment. :)
 
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I watched a reality show where a serial rapist said he just followed the women to their home, then showed up later and waited until the bathroom light came on....so it's not paranoia, it's a valid response to a often-used criminal tactic.
 
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I watched a reality show where a serial rapist said he just followed the women to their home, then showed up later and waited until the bathroom light came on....so it's not paranoia, it's a valid response to a often-used criminal tactic.

Yup, just had a case of a woman defending herself with a well placed .22 LR pistol. Not paranoid, prepared is the word:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJte6Sic44
 
Another Home Invasion In CT

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http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/crime/n...-investigation

The homeowner (a 60 year old woman), a 30 year old woman, a 3 year old, and when he arrived home, the homeowner's husband, were the subjects of an armed home invasion perpetrated by 5 young males wielding guns and knives. The 30 year old woman was pulled from the shower! at knifepoint. The investigation continues. I live in a neighborhood very like this about 15 miles away, but with lots more dense woods around the houses.

So, when you leave your wife and daughter at home, are they armed? Would even a 12 ga shotgun have been effective against 5 armed invaders?Prior reports indicated that a shotgun was stolen, but these women were obviously unprepared to use it, couldn't/didn't resist, and all were left physically unharmed at the end of 4.5 hours of captivity.


You're sitting on the couch watching TV when 5 guys crash through your rear slider and you have 3 seconds before they are in your living room with you. What do you do? Is the element of surprise and disparity of force too much to overcome? Do you wait until they separate to search the house before drawing and taking down the one or two in sight, hoping you can escape into the night with your family?

Interested in your thoughts, suggestions, precautions, tactics. I know, this precise situation isn't described in sufficient detail, but humor me.


And to think we have members stating that we are "PARANOID" when carrying in the home I am dam glad that I'm "PARANOID"
 
I live in a state where CCW permits "may" be issued, but are generally not.

If I were permitted to carry, I would wear a pistol on my person wherever I was; in the home or out. I wouldn't want the hassle of locking it up or digging it out every time I wanted to go somewhere. Also, with grandkids around much of the time, it's much safer to wear the thing on my person; certainly I can't be stashing firearms all over the house.

Since I'm getting to be an old man, and am taking blood thinners, getting knocked around would be fatal to me; I'd much prefer that it would be more unpleasant for anyone who would be inclined to assault me. And those people are definitely around.

I carry a cell phone too; being of a certain age, I seldom use it, but it's there if I need it. Does that make me paranoid?
 
Hmm. I think it's am interesting assertion that if I carry a gun in my house, then I live in fear. I think that's silly. If I carry a gun in my house I am no longer afraid. That makes more sense to me.

For the record, I don't typically carry inside my house, but I do sleep with one accessible by me and my wife only. I also don't sleep afraid.

Edit to add: Sometimes I carry inside the house, but that is because I haven't yet put it away or I haven't left yet.
 
Some thoughts about carrying in the house.

Stashing guns all over means you have to "un-stash" guns if someone comes to visit--especially if they have kids. If you're carrying, you just have to throw on a shirt that hangs down enough to cover your holster.

If you have guns all over the house, securing them all before you leave is a pain. If you're carrying, you don't even have to lock up one gun. Just put on your cover garment and hit the road.

If you have kids, having guns all over the house is not safe unless you have some means to secure them all in place which would probably be expensive and probably a hassle. Having a gun in a holster is not an issue unless the kids rush you all at once and hold you down while they take your gun. (Yeah, that's supposed to be funny. :D )

Anyone who breaks into an occupied house probably has a plan to deal with occupants--and probably has at least given a passing thought to the fact that the occupants could have access to firearms. In other words, they're probably prepared to deal with the possibility of someone running to get a gun. They may not have considered the possibility that any of the occupants would actually be wearing a gun. If you can give yourself an edge, or an unexpected advantage, why not do so?

Watching video of a number of no-knock warrants being served gave me a bit more appreciation for how long it takes to get to a firearm when taken unprepared. I watched people literally sitting next to guns who had no time to reach over and grab them before being overwhelmed. It drove the fact home that just having a gun in the house, even in the same room, doesn't mean you'll be able to get to it if you need it fast.

Carrying outside the home often requires concealment holsters, cover garments, compact carry pistols, class time, class fees, state fees, background checks, fingerprinting, photographs, etc. And yet people willingly go through all that to be able to carry outside the home. Carry inside the home only requires a handgun and a decent belt holster. Why go to all the trouble and expense to carry outside the house and then not carry inside where you can do it hassle free and with virtually no expense at all?

Outside the home, retreat is usually the best option. Inside the home, retreat is often not a reasonable option. You're probably going to have to stand and fight--might as well make it as simple as possible to access the tools you plan to use.

Outside the home there is very little that you consider valuable while most of your possessions and the people you love are inside the home. There's more to defend inside the home. Why not do what you can to maximize your chances of success?

If something happens to you in public, there's a reasonable chance someone will see and at least call the authorities. At the least, it's unlikely that an encounter would become prolonged given that criminals usually don't want to hang around where folks can see them. Inside the home, once the doors are shut, no one will see what happens and, once the intruders subdue the occupants, the criminals can take their time doing whatever they want to do to your and yours. If you don't stop them up front, before they gain control, the situation could get a lot worse than anything that could reasonably be expected to happen in a public encounter. Witness the CT home invasion/hostage situation and the horrors that went on inside that home before the criminals set everything on fire and left the family members to burn alive. Those two intruders committed their crime with a baseball bat and a pellet gun. Had either of the parents been carrying at home the situation would likely have turned out much differently.

But, it's not really likely that someone will commit a home invasion on your house, is it? No, it's really quite unlikely. That makes the decision pretty simple. It's a matter of deciding if it's worth it to play the odds or whether the stakes are so high it's unwise to gamble.
 
A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.
From Justfacts.com

That is just the estimated number of people that saw the intruder and scared them off with a gun. Given the drop in the crime rate it would be lower today. However, it would still be over 400,000 times a year.

The same report states that the estimated number of times a gun was retrieved but the intruder was not seen was over 1.8 million times.

I would say that given the change in crime rates the total would still be some where near 2 million incidents per year. That is about 1 incident for every 150 people. I wouldn't argue that those are anything but slim odds.

However, your chances of dying in a terrorist attack is one in 9.3 million. Look at what people have put theirself through over that particular concern. Who is really paranoid? The person carrying the gun or the person standing in a body scanner at the airport?
 
I Would agree if i lived in a war zone. You have to access the risk i am 50 no one has broke into my house yet.
You take a risk getting out of bed and in every other thing we do. Do you stay in bed in case you fall getting out, you probably have more chance of getting killed or injured driving your car do you stop driving your car just in case.

PS if i walked arround the house carrying a loaded gun my wife and friends would think i had lost the plot.
She is a psychiatric nurse she would get me booked in for a assessment

Bwaaa hahaha - the war zone argument again

If the location is correct where Manta49 lives owning a handgun is nil. (United Kingdom)

Here, here to post #118
 
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