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Ethics of Concealed Carry
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facts of life- their are bad guys out their, and bad things do happen to good people.
carying a gun is about being prepaired for the unexpected.
it could be a rabid dog, or a mugger, or u could be in the wrong place at the wrong time(7-11 holdup).
i vote go prepaired, and hope never to have to use it...
when it comes right down to it, most people, when faced with life threatning
problems, should be able to decide on whether to kill or be killed.
our instinct is to fight for our life.
just my thoughts....
carying a gun is about being prepaired for the unexpected.
it could be a rabid dog, or a mugger, or u could be in the wrong place at the wrong time(7-11 holdup).
i vote go prepaired, and hope never to have to use it...
when it comes right down to it, most people, when faced with life threatning
problems, should be able to decide on whether to kill or be killed.
our instinct is to fight for our life.
just my thoughts....
legalhack, your treading on thin ice by saying others are CLAIMING military service and somehow yours qualifies you to have your childish and moronic opinion. The fact you stand by it speaks volumes. I guarantee you've never been in harms way yourself or you would grow up a little bit. You don't do yourself, the military, or gun owners any justice with your statements. I would contend that we would all feel a lot safer if YOU were not the one with the gun.
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Your opinion Jon, you're welcome to it. I'm not calling YOU the moron or that YOUR opinion is stupid. Feeling a bit defensive are we...??
Statistically, there are so few folks who 1) are serving, 2) HAVE served that one would rarely come across them in public today. You would see more of them on the gun boards such as this but there are way more "keyboard commando's" out there than actually served; and the chances of someone ACTUALLY serving are slim. Don't know the folks here claiming it but I'm not insulting them or trying to discredit their service like you are.
You don't have to believe me or my service - I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I really don't care what YOU think. My statement stands: My opinion is that if you will be traumatically injured by defending yourself, then DON'T DO IT. Be a sheep. At least you'll sleep at night and won't be prone to fits of uncontrolled crying at work.
Your ignorance in your guarantees of people going in harms way says a lot about you. Be safe and switch to decaf.
Statistically, there are so few folks who 1) are serving, 2) HAVE served that one would rarely come across them in public today. You would see more of them on the gun boards such as this but there are way more "keyboard commando's" out there than actually served; and the chances of someone ACTUALLY serving are slim. Don't know the folks here claiming it but I'm not insulting them or trying to discredit their service like you are.
You don't have to believe me or my service - I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I really don't care what YOU think. My statement stands: My opinion is that if you will be traumatically injured by defending yourself, then DON'T DO IT. Be a sheep. At least you'll sleep at night and won't be prone to fits of uncontrolled crying at work.
Your ignorance in your guarantees of people going in harms way says a lot about you. Be safe and switch to decaf.
There is a HUGE difference between having a basic respect for human life and and the total lack of humanity you are talking about. Additionally so much of what you are saying is just nonsense. You never run into people who are or have served in the military? Thats nonsense. Most people I know have served in the military. Most of my friends have. You can barely travel anywhere anymore without seeing someone in uniform. Also, I didn't question whether or not you served, which I do, but I stated that you have obviously never had to face death in the face to be so flippant about it. Just because you were in the service doesn't mean you did anything more than shuffle papers (I'd guess its this one) or kick boxes in a warehouse. I bet you've never even gotten your boots dirty.
In addition to my military service I've also worked in this country's prisons for the last 15 years. I've seen more evil men, and the evil they do than you can ever imagine. I don't have to talk about the CONCEPT of evil amongst us I know its name. I didn't say YOU were childish or moronic, who is the defensive one?, I said you OPINION was. The idea that you would dance in glee at the death of a fellow human being, regardless of their actions, show a childishness and a sickness that in NO WAY represents the military attitude or the attitude of any decent human being and I WILL get defensive when you try to push your nonsense on us in this forum. I suppose you bash all our service men who have felt the trauma from what their service has called upon them to do. Many men and women have served with honor and still feel remorse for the deaths they caused no matter how justified they were. Its called decency and you should really try to have some instead of trying to trump yourself and you military service to make you sound like you know anything about anything.
As far as I'm concerned you have nothing to offer and I've said my piece. I'm out.
In addition to my military service I've also worked in this country's prisons for the last 15 years. I've seen more evil men, and the evil they do than you can ever imagine. I don't have to talk about the CONCEPT of evil amongst us I know its name. I didn't say YOU were childish or moronic, who is the defensive one?, I said you OPINION was. The idea that you would dance in glee at the death of a fellow human being, regardless of their actions, show a childishness and a sickness that in NO WAY represents the military attitude or the attitude of any decent human being and I WILL get defensive when you try to push your nonsense on us in this forum. I suppose you bash all our service men who have felt the trauma from what their service has called upon them to do. Many men and women have served with honor and still feel remorse for the deaths they caused no matter how justified they were. Its called decency and you should really try to have some instead of trying to trump yourself and you military service to make you sound like you know anything about anything.
As far as I'm concerned you have nothing to offer and I've said my piece. I'm out.
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We're NOT talking about killing in the military - we're talking about killing in self-defense. You need to read some Psychology to dispel the hand-wringing expectations of what Hollywood puts out as to how folks "should" feel after defending themselves. Grossman is a good start. I seriously would not feel remorse at having to put down some rabid animal trying to hurt me or my family. For those that think it will ruin their life, my suggestion is that maybe they shouldn't be running around with guns.
You know this if you really do work amongst the animals in society. I suspect you wouldn't have a problem putting one of these savages down. This isn't an issue of respect for human beings, it's about not feeling guilty about removing a cancer from society.
You are the one insulting service here. I actually run into people every day as I am STILL serving. But my manner of service is really none of your business - I'm secure enough in my manhood to not belittle folks I've never met. Don't puff your chest up too much or break your arm off trying to pat yourself on the back (all marks of a little man) there are many of us out here still actively involved in fighting the war.
Best of luck in what you do and stay safe.
You know this if you really do work amongst the animals in society. I suspect you wouldn't have a problem putting one of these savages down. This isn't an issue of respect for human beings, it's about not feeling guilty about removing a cancer from society.
You are the one insulting service here. I actually run into people every day as I am STILL serving. But my manner of service is really none of your business - I'm secure enough in my manhood to not belittle folks I've never met. Don't puff your chest up too much or break your arm off trying to pat yourself on the back (all marks of a little man) there are many of us out here still actively involved in fighting the war.
Best of luck in what you do and stay safe.
The thing, and in my estimation, THE thing, that is not considered and therefore overlooked, thusly catching folks more or less by surprise, is the ripple effect after a situation. Things do not start and stop with whether a person experiences some emotion or second guessing of some sort or duration, or whether you just go home and get a good nights sleep. The thing is that others will feel different about you, and will act different or ask stupid questions etc. Sometimes subtly and sometimes not. You have to deal with their junk too. Some have called it the mark of Cain, but I do not like that imagery. Some of the worst crap will come from chest beaters who will have the need to tell you how you should feel. Dinks.
I'll williingly give my life to protect my family. I won't willingly give my life simply because a perp doesn't like me being alive.
I do know people who say they'd rather die than take a life, but I'm not one of them. Some things are worth fighting for at all costs, and that's why I carry.
That said, I pray each day that I'm not forced to use lethal force against another.
Daryl
I do know people who say they'd rather die than take a life, but I'm not one of them. Some things are worth fighting for at all costs, and that's why I carry.
That said, I pray each day that I'm not forced to use lethal force against another.
Daryl
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I agree with the general sentiment. The military teaches people to kill and live with it, and for good reason. Another thing one can learn from countries with mandatory service is that anyone can be taught to kill in self-defense. Thinking otherwise is a sort of self-doubt from social pressure; e.g. "I could never live with that, I'm civilized."
I have to disagree with legalhack's sentiment about thinking of those people as a social cancer or rabid dogs that need to put down. I would say, yes maybe someone who tried to mug you and died was just going through a bad time, maybe he was doing it to prove himself to a gang that would have otherwise beat him to death. Maybe he has a huge family that loves him.
That said, if someone puts you in a situation where you have to kill, I see it simply: The offender made a very bad decision and you are the consequence. The offender knew his actions carried the chance of death and he lost that die roll. To not defend yourself would be an insult to the laws of the universe.
I'm not saying there won't be a long grieving process after an act of self-defense. There will likely be a natural grieving process, but if you let it finish its cycle, you will accept that you did the right thing.
we're talking about killing in self-defense. You need to read some Psychology to dispel the hand-wringing expectations of what Hollywood puts out as to how folks "should" feel after defending themselves.
I agree with the general sentiment. The military teaches people to kill and live with it, and for good reason. Another thing one can learn from countries with mandatory service is that anyone can be taught to kill in self-defense. Thinking otherwise is a sort of self-doubt from social pressure; e.g. "I could never live with that, I'm civilized."
I have to disagree with legalhack's sentiment about thinking of those people as a social cancer or rabid dogs that need to put down. I would say, yes maybe someone who tried to mug you and died was just going through a bad time, maybe he was doing it to prove himself to a gang that would have otherwise beat him to death. Maybe he has a huge family that loves him.
That said, if someone puts you in a situation where you have to kill, I see it simply: The offender made a very bad decision and you are the consequence. The offender knew his actions carried the chance of death and he lost that die roll. To not defend yourself would be an insult to the laws of the universe.
I'm not saying there won't be a long grieving process after an act of self-defense. There will likely be a natural grieving process, but if you let it finish its cycle, you will accept that you did the right thing.
This one's done.
Some people are treading very close to the line here...
I think that everyone here understands the reasons for self-defense and the necessity for it. The idea that it's reasonable and necessary doesn't mean that it can always be accomplished without trauma. Studies I've seen indicate that it's very common for normal people to experience at least some level of personal distress over having to end a human life.
Some people are treading very close to the line here...
I think that everyone here understands the reasons for self-defense and the necessity for it. The idea that it's reasonable and necessary doesn't mean that it can always be accomplished without trauma. Studies I've seen indicate that it's very common for normal people to experience at least some level of personal distress over having to end a human life.
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