Enough of this P99 crap

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Anyone who has the ignorance or/and arrogance to say "***sucks and ***rule!, just gave all of the info to respond
correctly and with finality.

No high end guns or gun makers, these days "suck" and none really "rule"...get a clue...so you didnt like your gun...so what!

Iv'e seen Glocks "kaboom" enough, that you can have all of them....good luck, shoot well and keep up the informative threads...

Shoot well
 
Well, there we have it. A review from Gun Tests Mag that basically says what has been covered right here in the posts in this thread. Thus proving that the magazine is unnecessary when you can get the same info from a forum.

I am interested to know the issue date of that review. It says the p-99 .40 was available for 6 months. I got mine in June 2000. So was that before, during, or after the review? I have to assume that the slide problem was corrected before I got mine. I have never seen it.

My question for those who may know: If someone has the slide problem, can it be corrected by a gunsmith, or does it have go to Earls? What caused the slide problem?

I wonder how they test "corrosion" resistant?

I get a kick out of discussion of the decocker position. Even GT mag discusses it. There doesn't seem to be any rush to decock. A lot like "nobody ever got killed because they couldn't fold their knife up fast enough". I doubt anyone ever died because they couldn't decock fast enough. Makes you wonder about the reviewer.
 
Walther has a much better trigger and doesn't look stupid. The Glock may be the ugliest pistol ever made, and I say "may" because it's conceivable, though not likely.
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Walthers P99 trigger is bearable not good. Its not as nice as a glocks its heavier with a longer reset. Also who gives a rats ass what the gun looks like.

Eric Larson

A lot of big name companes like Smith and Wesson make guns that just simply suck from time to time. Take the smith and wesson Sigma. Or Colts All American 2000. Yes big companies still make trash from time to time. The P99 may indeed get a market share however slight but it will not take any large share unless it fixes its problems with the P99 and markets better.
PAT
 
PAT,

unless it fixes its problems with the P99 and markets better.
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The QC issues you refer to were mostly confined to early production .40 cal P99's. Every one I've seen for the past year or more has been a gem.

The P99's have the feel that the somewhat bland and clunky SIGpros should have had: a precision Teutonic machine, like a P-226, but in polymer. The only thing that keeps me from buying one is that I already have "nice" guns. Plastic guns are work guns to me, and it's the Glock's clunky, ugly, drive-nails-with-it nature that keeps me hanging on to them. I suppose I'll get around to adding a USP and a P99 to the stable eventually.

As far as marketing goes: Walther's new price cut, which drops them to right around five bills, is a big start. And (seriously) don't overlook the "James Bond" factor. Product placement is a big deal, especially to non-hobbyists/first-time buyers. Rap music lyrics (too bad for Walther that "P99" doesn't rhyme as easily as "Glock" ;) ) and Tommy Lee Jones in U.S. Marshals sold as many Glocks as any three LE contracts. ;)
 
Tamara

If the problems are indeed fixed with the P99 then it may have a brite futer in front of it. But I doubt it will take a significant share of the market. It will probably be a gun that is enjoyed by Walther fans and Bond Fans and a few others who like the grip changing feature. If they changed the rails so it would take a M3 light and make the trigger a constant short 5.5 to 6 pound pull for the first to last shot they may have something good. I still find the extra muzzle flip a negative factor with the P99 in 40sw.
PAT
 
Wow! Everyone has an opinion I guess. I personally have no experience with Glocks(that is correct spelling isn't it?:D ) I own a P99 and have never had any of the malfunctions listed here. No jams or cracked slides(I have a 9mm). So, I guess it comes down to do you like you like your handgun of choice? If you do, who gives a S##T what the other guy likes? If you think your handgun is the best and the other guy doesn't, once again who gives a S##T? To each his own, you reap what you sow, it's my life I'll do what I want, etc etc etc. You have a gun you REALLY like, let the other guy enjoy the gun he REALLY likes, and nobody's self-esteem has to be reduced.:p
 
I own the P99 but not a Glock. I have shot both and prefer the Walther. I also have the Walther P5. I have had problems with the Glock on the range failing to eject a shell. Never had a problem with either of my Walthers.

If someone wants to have a Glock when their butt is on the line that is fine with me. I'd prefer to have a Walther if my life hung in the balance.

In the end one should carry what one is most comfortable with!
 
I never knew of the James Bond connection until long after I bought my P-99.

What film is it that his new sidearm is revealed? Didn't he carry some other Walther model before Q got him a P-99?

I would appreciate more info about the slide problem, if anyone knows. What caused it, how they fixed and especially how to find out which ones were affected.
 
I'm a bit late to the fray, but let me offer my two cents.

At a certain point beyond the technology and attributes of a product, this conversation has become one of marketing, economics, and business mechanics. Glock's present market share and popularity is a direct byproduct of the first to offer polymer technology that's reasonably reliable, aggressive price competition, a robust buy-back program that encourages LEA to adopt the platform, and a comprehensive advertising program.

One could say that Glock is the Microsoft of guns. They made a certain level of uniform technology affordable, advertised the daylights out of it, telling everyone how wonderful it is, and after a while, anything that's said often enough becomes the truth. People buy what they see. Using their present dominance in the market as an arguement for technical superiority is a weak arguement, just like saying McDonalds has the best hamburger, because they sold so many. Nope. They just have more stores and better coupons.

That said, I have shot both Glocks and bought the Walther for every reason... ergonomics, trigger, accuracy, reliabilty, aesthetics... not in any order. In over 2200 rounds in the span of about 3 months, I have never had a single error with many different kinds of ammo. With all due respect to the Glock community... no offense intended, no flames, please... I wouldn't buy a Glock when the Walther is available.
 
This is really pretty funny.

I have to believe that anyone who takes themselves seriously enough to be able to dictate which firearms are "pos" or "the best" with out qualifications is childish to say the least. In my opinion it shows a lack of knowledge.

Here are some of the statements regarding Glocks that we have been graced with:
They are simply the best guns going for serious duty of self defence use.
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I have found glocks to be the best just as have most other cops
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The funny thing about this is that you would think that a cop would have a better understanding of how the politics of selecting an issue firearm works. Does anyone really believe that cops just carry anything they want and 70% choose Glock? What a load.

Here's a clue for all of you who think you know what is "best" or what "sucks". . . You know what is best for YOU, NOT EVERYONE ELSE. If we took you seriously, we'd all be driving Caprice Classics or Crown Vics. After all lost of police departments use them, they must be "the best".

Now I have no bone to pick with Glocks, I think they are great guns, but they are not for me.

Bottome line. . . what's best for one isn't best for all. Use what you like and don't try to foist this "best", "pos", "sucks" etc. off on us. I don't buy it.

Shake
 
The funny thing about this is that you would think that a cop would have a better understanding of how the politics of selecting an issue firearm works. Does anyone really believe that cops just carry anything they want and 70% choose Glock? What a load.

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There is no politics in chosing a sidearm most of the time. Glocks are chosen because they are available in any caliber you could want and size, They are noted for reliability and accuracy, They have one simple trigger pull to master. They are priced right. They usually win all the torture tests out there. Lets see a Walther go 140000 rounds without an overhaul then you can talk. Heck the first ones and the one I had could not even make it through a magazine without a malfunction.
PAT
 
Do you seriously expect us to believe that there are no politics or budget considerations in choosing an issue sidearm? Are you seriously a cop?

Come on.

I'm not defending Walthers, I'm arguing the fact that you 355sigfan have determined, in your utimate wisdom, that Glocks are right for everyone regardless of who they are, what their handgun experiences are, what their preferences are, what size and shape of hand they have etc.

Your unsubstantiated blather is tiresome. You expect us to believe that we can pick a GLOCK off the shelf, burn 140,000 rounds and not expect to do maintenance? Sounds to me like you spend too much time on Glocktalk.

You continue to talk about your experience with ONE Walther (of course you generalize and say "the first ones"). If all handguns were judged by one specimen, we'd run out of options in a hurry.

I met a guy in a gun shop that had bought his first Glock based on all the rave reviews that people like you give on the web. Burned three rounds and the thing busted, end of story, non-functional. Guess what? The guy wanted his money back and wanted a different gun.

Of course a more experienced shooter would realize that an entire line of pistols can't be judged based on one specimen.

Get this, just because you are sold on a particular firearm doesn't mean everyone else has to be sold on it too. It cracks me up when someone believes his/her experiences to be more valid than anyone else's because hey, it happened to me. I'm more important.

Get real.

Shake
 
There is no politics in chosing a sidearm most of the time. Glocks are chosen because they are available in any caliber you could want and size, They are noted for reliability and accuracy, They have one simple trigger pull to master. They are priced right. They usually win all the torture tests out there. Lets see a Walther go 140000 rounds without an overhaul then you can talk. Heck the first ones and the one I had could not even make it through a magazine without a malfunction.
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yawn!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:rolleyes:
 
Whats-A-Glock?
Oh yea Glock bribes all the officals to pick its guns. Its a real political process. Give me a break. Time for you to face the facts that glock is chosen because its the best not because of some political reasons.
PAT
 
Glocks are not preaty they are also not overated. They are simply the best guns going for serious duty of self defence use.
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For you maybe. Not me. And there are lemons among them, just like any other brand -- unless the jamomatic 17 I encountered a few years ago was a figment of my imagination.

If you like 'em, great -- they are well made pistols that work well for those who like them -- but "best" is a matter of very subjective opinion.
 
Shake, you're absolutely right. Anyone who judges an entire product line by one sample, and truly believes that politics, salesmanship (read: lunches, concessions, courtesy 'gifts' like free guns) and buyback programs don't play a part in the decision process is simply ignorant of how business works in the real world, and selling themselves short by not giving a great product another try.

I wonder what would happen if these reactionary people who judge an entire line of product by one sample would react if they had the unfortunate random luck to get one of the many Glocks that fail right out of the box. We'd probably be hearing about 'enough of this Glock crap'. :D

*sigh* Some people just don't get it. :rolleyes:
 
More flotsam and jetsom on Glocks...

I'm going to be technical now, and un-biased, even if I love Colt 1911's, but in my most diplomatic and bias free opinion, Glocks are simply BASURA!!! :rolleyes:
 
There is no politics in chosing a sidearm most of the time. Glocks are chosen because they are available in any caliber you could want and size, They are noted for reliability and accuracy, They have one simple trigger pull to master. They are priced right. They usually win all the torture tests out there. Lets see a Walther go 140000 rounds without an overhaul then you can talk. Heck the first ones and the one I had could not even make it through a magazine without a malfunction.
PAT
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If that were the case, then the SW99NJ wouldn't exist. Have you ever dealt with procurement issues in a police/military system? Politics plays a HELL of a lot into it, what with preferred contractors, special deals, and so on. It's a great load of fun explaining to management that distributor X can get parts at a better price, only for them to respond that, well, X is not on the preferred distributor list. I'm sure the fact that Glock is very agressive and very into 'volume discounts' for LEO customers has NOTHING to do with their being chosen, whatsoever.

Ah, now we come to the crux of the matter. You slander the Walther and praise the Glock because the first run had issues, and the one you purchased had them as well. I hate to break this to you, but it is a rather common experience for first runs to have issues. If that were the sole criteria, then practically EVERY firearms manufacturere would then 'suck'. Yes, the first run of the .40cal had issues, most of them being the US made slide/US assembly. My research has shown that the 9mm did not inherit those issues. Believe me, I am sorry that you had a bad experience with the Walther, but it will take more than simply quoting Glock brochure one-liners to assure us of it's 'supremacy' over the P-99. Like many other people, I have shot both, in 9mm.
I decided to go for the Walther, because it was more comfortable ergonomically, and it shot better. I'm sure that torture tests mean well, but I don't exactly see myself throwing my P99 into a cement mixer, or running it over with an 18 wheeler.

One also has to ask......considering this is an open forum, and neither a Glock nor a Walther only forum.....why is it that so many more have come out in support of the Walther as a quality firearm?
 
can we be returned to our usual intelligent discourse on firearms without mudslinging or rapid bladder emptying exercises?? yes, every firearm made is the best ever made, every firearm ever made is the worst ever made.

we are all entitled to our opinions, it doesn't help us to try to ram our opinions down the throats of others. they don't have to agree with us. but let's give each other the respect we ourselves would like.

the bottom line is we each use the firearm that we trust our lives to, one is not better than the other except in our own experiences. i'll trust my p-99, you trust your glock, or your 1911, or you s&w, or anything else you would like. but for *ME* <notice what i am stressing here> it's the p-99. please note what i am also not saying, i am not disparaging other firearms, i am just stating my personal choice...and keeping my reasons to that is just my preference.

just my $0.02 <can i get some change??>

and for the record...i purchased my p-99 before knowing that james bond carried one, while i am a serious bond fan i leave those types of purchases to my brother who picked up a ppk because it was the bond gun. he hates it, but won't sell it for that reason.


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