Don't trust rentals
- Thread starter Doc Holliday 1950
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Doc Holliday 1950
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i think that I'll let this one go. it's not worth go back & forth. You all weren't there
and I can't explain what happened properly.
I've shot rental guns before & never had this happen & for me to miss so poorly at 8 feet is just too bloody weird.
and I can't explain what happened properly.
I've shot rental guns before & never had this happen & for me to miss so poorly at 8 feet is just too bloody weird.
I'm not sure whether you did, but if you notice a problem with a rental pistol you can always tell the people manning the store. Sometimes you can even get one to go back with you and try it too. If there really is an issue sometimes you can get some of the cost waived.
Very true. All we can do is make comments based on what you tell us. I agree the whole thing is very odd but frankly nothing I've read so far in terms of a response is out of line.
I say this all over but in the end when it comes to handgun shooting the greatest contributing factor is the shooter. Mechanical issues are always a possibility, but it takes a pretty serious issue, or a combination of them, to cause a complete lack of accuracy. I try to analyze a situation objectively; it's not personal.
Very true. All we can do is make comments based on what you tell us. I agree the whole thing is very odd but frankly nothing I've read so far in terms of a response is out of line.
I say this all over but in the end when it comes to handgun shooting the greatest contributing factor is the shooter. Mechanical issues are always a possibility, but it takes a pretty serious issue, or a combination of them, to cause a complete lack of accuracy. I try to analyze a situation objectively; it's not personal.
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They want you to use their ammo for money, don't want hot loads, and they don't want lead bullets used in glocks.
I really don't it is cause they reloaded, unless they are hacks. Even then I doubt it, it is cycling, and acting normal. Not long range here.
Nothing wrong with reloads. One reason people load, so better than the factory. I am not familar with 19, it is a higher pressure load. Not sure how finicky it is.
Cleaning it might go a long way.
I really don't it is cause they reloaded, unless they are hacks. Even then I doubt it, it is cycling, and acting normal. Not long range here.
Nothing wrong with reloads. One reason people load, so better than the factory. I am not familar with 19, it is a higher pressure load. Not sure how finicky it is.
Cleaning it might go a long way.
IMightBeWrong
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I know I sounded critical above. That's not my intent. I'm not out to say I'm some pro shooter and accuse others of sucking.
The fact of the matter is that the shooting community is a bunch of people that suck, like 99% of us including myself, all trying to suck less. The other 1% is Jerry Miculek and other really good professional shooters. So when the rest of have misses, it's usually our fault and not the guns. When that other 1% has problems, it's probably the gun. So when *I* miss, and I miss plenty, I try to drop my ego and figure out where I'm sucking so I can suck a little less.
So while I can't say it wasn't the guns, I can at least illustrate why I have shared what I have. For most of us these issues are our own fault most of the time. Maybe this was an exception, I don't know. But I do know that most of us, myself included, generally suck at shooting and it's probably our fault when we can't shoot. So honestly, if I had a bad time hitting like the above, even if it WAS the guns fault I would probably be going over my fundamentals at home, dry practicing, and assuming it was me. And I think this is the best way to react to these situations, even if the guns were the problem, because it's best for those of us that suck to always find motivation to suck a little less.
The fact of the matter is that the shooting community is a bunch of people that suck, like 99% of us including myself, all trying to suck less. The other 1% is Jerry Miculek and other really good professional shooters. So when the rest of have misses, it's usually our fault and not the guns. When that other 1% has problems, it's probably the gun. So when *I* miss, and I miss plenty, I try to drop my ego and figure out where I'm sucking so I can suck a little less.
So while I can't say it wasn't the guns, I can at least illustrate why I have shared what I have. For most of us these issues are our own fault most of the time. Maybe this was an exception, I don't know. But I do know that most of us, myself included, generally suck at shooting and it's probably our fault when we can't shoot. So honestly, if I had a bad time hitting like the above, even if it WAS the guns fault I would probably be going over my fundamentals at home, dry practicing, and assuming it was me. And I think this is the best way to react to these situations, even if the guns were the problem, because it's best for those of us that suck to always find motivation to suck a little less.
Independent George
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At 8 feet, I can't imagine the barrel being so messed up as to miss entirely. It has to be the sights - and I'd guess it's the front sight, since a rear sight misaligned by that much would probably be obvious.
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It's a Glock. The front sight doesn't adjust. It's either there or not.
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Independent George
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Well shoot - there goes my theory.
I had the set screw on my GP-100's rear sight come loose while I was firing it; it was immediately dead obvious exactly what was wrong.
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Having read many reviews on these pistols we know that they are reasonably accurate. With that in mind, what were your/wifes' impressions for hand fit, racking slide, finding sights, workmanship and anything else that could influence your purchase? I believe your situation was an exceptional event and I don't believe the accuracy issues are representative of those pistols. Wouldn't affect my selection process since you had the same experience on two separate pistols by two different shooters. See if there is anything of value you can take away from this event.
Mastrogiacomo
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I don't rent guns. Many get abused, mishandled, and the GR has lousy ammo so I go by reviews instead. I've been fortunate every time that way. Another, more reliable option, is handling someone's gun at a club which is always far better treated and maintained. You get a better sense of what the gun is like and handles....
Laura
Laura
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My question for Doc in a minute.
First, I can't help but react to this.
Now Doc. I do have a question. Mostly because I, and in fact most 10 year olds can hit a 2'X3' target @ 8' with a rock from a slingshot, why didn't you go back to the counter and tell them how poorly their rental guns were shooting. If in their situation as a business, I would appreciate knowing that something I was charging rent for had that much of a problem.
First, I can't help but react to this.
Unless this is a well disguised attempt at tongue-in-cheek humor it's about the most ridiculous thing I have read on TFL!!!
Now Doc. I do have a question. Mostly because I, and in fact most 10 year olds can hit a 2'X3' target @ 8' with a rock from a slingshot, why didn't you go back to the counter and tell them how poorly their rental guns were shooting. If in their situation as a business, I would appreciate knowing that something I was charging rent for had that much of a problem.
Not trusting your local range management ...to maintain their rental guns is one thing...( and that's too bad ) / ...but I would not keep going back there if I were you either. The local range obviously has a problem -- and they must not care...
I'm lucky, I do have a local range...that does take care of their rental guns...they have one of their senior staff that is responsible for monitoring their maintenance...and I often hear the guys behind the counter ask customers how it went with a gun they return ..( ideally, they are asking to help the customer make another choice on a different rental - or in the purchase of a gun in the pro shop ). Rental guns are a big part of what my local range offers - in terms of value to its customers. I use them a lot with young shooters in my family ...to augment my collection -- when we are training them to shoot. Grandkids, etc ...sometimes want to just try the next poly whatever...that I don't own...
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience... I hope you at least told the range management about the problem - and gave them a chance to make it right.
My range insists I buy new retail ammo from their counter..for guns that I rent from them / to me, that is not unreasonable. The mfg's that make those guns available to the range rental counter...insist they only allow new ammo to be shot in the rental guns...no reloads, or customer supplied ammo. Typically my range is selling Federal white box in 9mm as an example ...
Not all ranges...are run like the one you experienced thankfully !
I'm lucky, I do have a local range...that does take care of their rental guns...they have one of their senior staff that is responsible for monitoring their maintenance...and I often hear the guys behind the counter ask customers how it went with a gun they return ..( ideally, they are asking to help the customer make another choice on a different rental - or in the purchase of a gun in the pro shop ). Rental guns are a big part of what my local range offers - in terms of value to its customers. I use them a lot with young shooters in my family ...to augment my collection -- when we are training them to shoot. Grandkids, etc ...sometimes want to just try the next poly whatever...that I don't own...
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience... I hope you at least told the range management about the problem - and gave them a chance to make it right.
My range insists I buy new retail ammo from their counter..for guns that I rent from them / to me, that is not unreasonable. The mfg's that make those guns available to the range rental counter...insist they only allow new ammo to be shot in the rental guns...no reloads, or customer supplied ammo. Typically my range is selling Federal white box in 9mm as an example ...
Not all ranges...are run like the one you experienced thankfully !
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I'll join those who said to question the guns and get a second opinion from an owner or range safety officer. Maybe there was a misunderstanding about the sight picture, maybe you were shooting blanks , I don't know. When there is such an obvious disparity between experience (high) and performance (low), I'd really want to get to the bottom of that.
, I don't know. When there is such an obvious disparity between experience (high) and performance (low), I'd really want to get to the bottom of that.jglsprings
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Never mind... it's been a long Friday.