Don't mess with the Polk cty. FL Sheriff

Nobody wants to allow "devil's advocate" conjecture here; they seem to take it (most of the time, anyway) as though it means plain old out-and-out contempt for law enforcement.

Even though it is not.


-azurefly
 
I still want to know how an officer could be close enough to this guy to raise the cloth from over the suspect's hand or arm, see the weapon and then not get blown up with the bad guy when the shooting began! Just a question.
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A very good question at that. Stop clouding the issue.:D
 
Wildcard, with all your proclaimed "Ride Time" and experience with law enforcement you should be able to answer that simple question.

Instead, you post a stupid smilie in some vain attempt at sarcastic humor in this tragic situation where lives were lost - by real cops.

12-34hom.
 
That deputy might still be alive

If we had the swat team at our borders to keep em out. We wouldn't be debating this tragedy. We could be sharing range reports and smiling.
 
Good work on the part of the officers. Sheriff spoke off the cuff, presumably trying to back up his men's actions, bringing the heat down on himself.

I take everything that he said to be bold posturing, and not intelligent communication. Bad on him, unless he was at the local bar instead of at a news conference.

Still, it was funny... :)
 
I am surprised that we have not seen Al Sharpton show his fat, potato-faced mug leading protests on behalf of undocumented drug-dealing cop-killing Jamaican immigrants, and their plight as they try to make a decent life for themselves in the U.S. :barf:

Haitian and Jamaican gangs have made the news in The Palm Beach Post (the local paper) because they account for nearly all of the last couple years' gun violence in the West Palm Beach north-end (which, itself, is most of our gun violence). Big articles have been done on the subject. NO ONE has said anything about stricter controls of who gets in. Just about the cultural influences in their lives (gangsta rap, bad role models, etc.) and the "easy availability of guns" (yeah, if you're willing to steal them or commit other crimes to get them)... :barf:


-azurefly
 
They had 500 plus law enforcement agents (many who were probably on their day off hoping to avenge their brother. Contrast this episode with a 6 year old who was murdered here in Florida two weeks ago, and fewer than 50 law enforcement people worked on the case and the Killer has not been found.

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Contrast this episode with a 6 year old who was murdered here in Florida two weeks ago, and fewer than 50 law enforcement people worked on the case and the Killer has not been found.
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Bingo..Interesting. Some aminals.:barf:
 
Contrast this episode with a 6 year old who was murdered here in Florida two weeks ago, and fewer than 50 law enforcement people worked on the case and the Killer has not been found.
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Did they have the killer tracked to a definable area?

Was the crime still fresh when the first officer made the scene?

Are there any real similarities at all between the two cases other the murder aspect of it?
 
I didn't read this whole thread, first & last page. I'm pretty outspoken against LEO's who go outside the boundaries as most of you well know. I also try to be fair and open minded. I have no problem with this shoot. He executed an officer & (probably) a family man and sounds like he got what he deserved. This wasn't a wrong address or a pregnant woman, it was a scumbag who had no compunction about killing in cold blood.

Anyone questioning how the guy was hit so many times while an officer held his shirt...maybe the swat guys were veeery professional and good shots.;)

No repeat offender possible there eh?
 
What a disappointing commentary on what this site threatens to become.
I'd dust off the Clownies in a heartbeat had I not participated personally.
Rich
 
Firstfreedom said:
Now, having said all that, IF a positive ID was made (could have been) prior to opening up, and IF the guy posed a threat by having a gun in hand, or what appeared to be a gun in hand, THEN in that event, the number of shots does not seem excessive, given the number of people shooting. I was initially inclined to agree with Coinneach and Wildcard, and would be had it been just 1 or 2 or 3 shooters. But as has been pointed out, with that many LEOs firing, it does not seem to be overkill, or an actual execution.... provided that the value of the first two IFs above is yes. But we just don't know that for sure, now do we?
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OK. Now I understand your position. All of your "IFs" would suggest that you think the officers involved were complete boobs, the modern day "Three Stooges" who had no skills, and used no judgement whatsoever in tracking, locating or identifying the assailant. They just happened to be lucky enough to have the bad guy holding a gun, standing in front of them when they all decided to start shooting into the bushes just for the heck of it.
 
Where did the notion that the officer picked up a piece of cloth come from? It wasn't in any of the other reports. They said that they identified him while moving through vegetation. Moving a small bush or tree can certainly allow one to see 5-10' in front of himself, and identify someone hiding, or attempting to.

The Devil's Advocate doesn't attempt to twist the sequence of events, or introduce facts, such as a hunter in the woods, without enough research to justify it.

Jamaican's are allowed entry to the United States. They don't need to come over the Border. What, then, would a SWAT Team on the Border have done? FYI, it's a LONG drive from Florida to the nearest land border.

First Freedom, I'm truly sorry that you're a "Bad" cop magnet. My experience in dealing with multiple local, state, and federal LEOs has seen them range from bullies to the most professional men I've worked with. However, in the 35 years that I dealt with them professionally, the VAST MAJORITY, at least 95%, had no problem with identifying and following the truth. Then again, I'm not one of those who feel that it's always DIFFERENT when I'm involved, and the situation doesn't go my way. :) :)
 
Interesting opinion:


Disappointed In The Sheriff In Florida
posted October 6, 2006

I read the accounts of the killing of the suspected cop killer in Florida and I was very disappointed. According to what I read, the sheriff said they shot 110 bullets at the suspect and he was hit with 69. His only regret was that they ran out of bullets.

Coming from the leading law enforcement officer of that county that is truly sad and disappointing. His job is to apprehend criminals and defend the public and the officers while they are in the process of apprehending suspected criminals. It is not to execute them.

I am not in anyway condoning the acts of the man who died, assuming he is the one who shot two law enforcement officers, one of whom died. That is despicable. Our system is to try people in a court of law and mete out the punishment the judge or jury determines is appropriate for their crimes.

About five years ago we suffered a similar tragedy in our own county. I am sure our officers were just as angry when they corralled the suspected killer of Deputy Bond and probably wished him dead as well. But they did their jobs and let the court process determine his guilt or innocence and his punishment. He was sentenced to death.

That is the way our system is designed to work and when we depart from it we do it an injustice. I can only imagine how an officer of the law feels when a fellow officer is killed and I am sure it takes a lot of restraint when apprehending a suspected killer, but that is their job. Our job in the court is to see that a suspect is afforded his constitutional rights and once convicted that he/she is appropriately punished. Once that is accomplished, the suspect is often returned to the sheriff and the department of corrections for safekeeping until the sentence is carried out.

I am proud of our handling of a similar case but disappointed in the Florida sheriff. Even if the man was killed because he did not surrender, why would a law enforcement officer say that they wished they had shot him more? It bothered me and I felt like I should say something.

Kevin B. Wilson
Attorney at Law
Chattanooga
kbwilson@kbwilsonlaw.com

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_94217.asp
 
His only regret was that they ran out of bullets.
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I see Mr. Wilson is also a member of the Twisty Boy fraternity.

Where exactly did the sheriff say that his "only regret" was running out of bullets..

Nice little bit of emotionalism evoking word twisting there Mr Lawyer
 
“That’s all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more,”
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I know it's not in there verbatim, but I think that quote (pasted directly from the thread starter) pretty much illustrates that he would have liked for his men to have shot him more. i.e. regret that they didn't have more "bullets" (sic)

Most of us understood what Mr. Wilson meant.


-azurefly
 
Let's say they had MP5s and M4s both full auto. Say 9 officers fire (probably all at the same time). How long does it take to burn off 110 rounds.

Situation two: Let's say they had standard semi auto handguns. How long to dump about 11 or 12 rounds each.

If you haven't had to shoot before, you probably won't be able to answer this correctly.
 
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