Does a Lever Action Rifle jam?

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The 30-30 was a step backwards in cartridge development and had been obsolete for 3 years before the 1st rifle was ever sold.

I know of a whole lot of game animals that would argue that point. I'd even go as far as saying that a hard cast .30-30 or .45-70 is superior to something like a .30-06 FMJ or soft point because they leave the same size hole on both ends of the animal instead of expanding and leaving a huge exit wound, ruining the meat on that side. Heck, a .45-70 probably even tenderizes it a bit from the shock of a 405 grain bullet moving past with the terminal velocity of a truck.
 
If you short stroke they will jam. As far as speed is concerned I shot a side match at a CAS match in Topeka speed rifle. My time was 5.49 seconds ten shots all hits on a plate at 40-50 ft that is starting with gun loaded but empty chamber at low port. I was second the winner was 3.79 seconds that could be comparable to a semi maybe. Don't want to start anything LOL have the second place plaque to prove it.
 
Leverguns were never popular in the old west......

Horsefeathers.

Folks that could afford them, had them. Do a search for "Little Bighorn Archeolgy" ......

Indian arms included the .44 caliber Henry, .44 caliber Model 1866 Winchester, and the .44/.40 caliber Model 1873 Winchester, all repeating rifles. The army in 1876 did not issue repeating rifles

Lever guns may not have won the west, but single shots lost that battle.


Single shots and shotguns won the west.

Not by themselves: It was the never ending stream of immigrants that won the west, mostly by attrition. An offer of free land and a better future, even though some of you would probably die in the process of getting to and claiming it, was a far better proposition for your family than watching your family die of starvation in Ireland or be killed wholesale in the unending wars and revoloutions of Europe, with no improvement in sight ...... That's why my ancestors left Germany and England and Ireland, and they would have made the trip armed with a stick, if that's all they had ......

Look at the pictures of famous outlaws and lawmen: they prominently show their weapons, and leverguns are prominently shown in many pictures. When your life depends upon them, you get the best you can afford. A repeating rifle beat the tar out of anything else, save a double barrelled shotgun at close range ....
 
All this crap about what firearm "won the west" is tired anyway. Inanimate objects don't win anything. The west was settled by hard working men and women. People seeking a better future. They buried their loved ones all along the way. The hardships they faced cannot even be fathomed by most today, let alone endured. The west was "won" by the Army, in their genocidal campaign against the plains Indians. Somehow folks believe that the noble army that swept across the South to free slaves, then turned west to wage genocide on the natives. Mmmm, hmmm.
 
Just agreeing with you, nf45. Since you mentioned the plains Indians, I thought I would reply in Lakota. WASH-tay. That's not English. It means good.
 
Semi Problematic said...

"Ok, so they're more accurate that a comparitably priced semi or bolt action? No. They're faster shooting than a semi? No. Ok....hmmm they hold more rounds than a semi...Nope. They're capable of longer ranges than a semi, bolt, or single shot? No... They're available in more calibers than a semi, single or bolt action? Nope...dang... They're capable of shooting higher powered rounds than....well I think you get the point. But if you can tell me something beneficial a lever gun can do that another gun equally priced can't do better, I'd be deeply impressed and even delete my comment."
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Every word is true but... I like lever action rifles for one MAIN REASON... love the way they look.
 
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Most are reliable, but not all. I have had a number come into the shop for repairs over the years. On 444 marlin was a nightmare, but I got it working perfectly after a fight.

Generally, lever guns work quite well, and those that don't can be made to work well

I had the same problem with my Marlin .444 and after going back and forth to the local gunsmith, I finally sent it back to the factory where they fixed it right and it is a joy to shoot ever since.
 
If you think you're Rambo, or maybe want to be, then a lever action is never going to be enough gun. If you think every gun must be capable of shooting an aspirin at 100 yards then you're not going to be happy with a lever action. If you're a PH in Africa then a lever action just won't do. If every situation calls for an assault rifle then a lever action will never do. If you like a light handy robust rifle that can handle most game and 99% of any 'bad' situations anyone could wind up in then a lever action will do nicely. I've owned and shot Garands, ARs, SKSs and even a highly tricked out HK 91. Right now I'm real happy with my '73 and my Marlin Cowboy. I don't see anyone here changing their minds, IMO,I think this discussion has run it's course.
 
I've looked at the older 45/70's with the full length mag tubes as Assault Rifles before. Only in jest of course, but I bet if we took away a platoons M4's and gave them all Guide Guns, our boys would still toast 'em. :D
 
Lever actions are not lightweight and easy to carry.

This puzzles me. I am NOT a lever action fan, nor am I anti-lever action. I own exactly 1 lever rifle, a Henry 22. Picked it up for my 9 yr. old daughter. So while my experience with levers is very limited, it seems portability and ease of carry is one of THE MOST appealing features of this action type when the topic comes up. It seems to be unanimous amongst the lever action fans. "It just feels right in my hands" will invariably be stated.

Personally, I stick with bolts. But then I'll take a 1911 over a Glock any day too. :eek: :D:D:D
 
something overlooked so far....

All the comparisons about speed of firing, reloading, and range limitations are overlooking one simple fact. Not everybody needs (or wants) more than "Good enough".

With a very few exceptions, lever guns are hunting rifles. Even the lowly .22LR gets hunting use in lever guns. A rapid second shot is a benefit, but honestly, how much can any of the commonly hunted animals move in the 1 second that even beginners can manage to work the lever?

Yep an average guy with a semi can beat a good guy with a lever, over a string of aimed shots, by a little bit. Usually. SO what?

A .30-30 that's easy to carry (slim, flat and not AR tall, top to bottom) is plenty for lots of folks. Sure, its last century's tech, but deer don't know that.

Thats the main reason they are still so popular. Yep, the bolt gun pushed them out of overall dominance, eventually, but they refuse to go away, and not just because of cowboy nostalgia, but because for a large segament of people they are a good gun that does everything needed, and within that "narrow" scope, they do it damn well.

Sure, some of them jam. Everything jams. Sometimes because its worn, broken, or just made bad, but sometimes because the shooter doesn't really understand proper use and maintainence.

And lever guns are not alone in that. ALL guns can have it happen. Different designs resist failure better than others, but everything has its limits.

Notice how a lot of those touting the superiority of the semi auto always seem to refer to military designs, or their civilian counterparts. Sure, they are rugged, and capable of tolerating a lot (relatively) of abuse, but they were designed and built to do that. Don't see any of them telling us how much more rugged and reliable a Rem 740 is compared to a Marlin 336.

Not that the Remington series auto rifles are bad, they aren't (individual examples aside). They just aren't military grade rifles, and were never intended to be. They make a point of saying how no (significant) military ever adopted the lever gun, so it must be inferior. OK, again,so what? If all I need is a deer gun for the woods, a 7lb .30-30 works for me better than a 9lb .30-06. Why do you think generations of Americans sporterized all those poor suffering GI issue bolt guns? Some of it was just for style, but the basis was to get rid of what wasn't needed for hunting.

You can certainly pack a heavier, more rugged rifle than needed into the field, and if things go badly wrong, you will likely be better served than with a lighter, more "fragile" rifle. But until that day, is it worth packing the extra weight? The right answer is different for each of us.

I've hunted with all action types, and each is a joy in some ways, and a curse in others. How much of each, depends on what you have, and what you do with, and to it.
 
I own four lever rifles to date and hopefully will get my fifth soon. (Win Packer 94 in .44 mag to complete my lever collection)

.444 Marlin
.357 Marlin
.22 LR Henry
.300 WSM Browning BLR

I guess you would say I like lever rifles and you would be right. They are great guns and my choice for the BLR and the .444 were for rapid follow up shots in bear country if I ever had the need, which I hopefully never will.

Other than the .444 Marlin which I had to send back to the factory which they fixed for free, none have ever jammed and the .444 hasn't jammed at all since the factory repair.

Great guns especially if in bear country. The Browning BLR has a very complex bolt mechanism that is essentially as sturdy as the standard bolt rifles and a very smooth action. With the price of Marlin going sky high, considering a Browning in BLR is no longer that much different than a Marlin.
 
Figured I throw another .02 in here. Seems some people missed the point of the thread in the rush to defend their favorite gun. The OP asked if the levergun was better than the AR. His reason for wanting it was "for the call to arms". Now with these things in mind...

1) comparing a lever to a military rifle is totally appropriate
2) how much is hunting factored, considering he only own handguns?
3) he said "better". Not "as good", "good enough" or anything else. "BETTER"
4) OP states he is prior military, already knows the ins and outs of an AR style gun, apparently never had a lever gun.

Everything jams. Even a single shot. Cartridge can get stuck in the chamber, action can lock up, etc.

If you're looking for self defense, why not a shotgun? If you're looking to repel invaders who have attacked America...stop watching red dawn. Lever guns are more than up to the task of defending yourself with. Simply buy ammo, take it to the range, and shoot it until you know how to make it work. Once you find what it likes to eat, keep feeding it that. Shooting soft nosed or lead pistol cartridges at lower velocities may be better for HD as you still have considerable stopping power while potentially less over penetration.

AR rifles are extremely easy to learn how to shoot. Some are very dependable, and some companies even claim you can shoot them with no lube and it'll still function reliably 6000+ shots later. I dunno, never tried. If shooting surplus ammo (fmj) at high velocities you have a sever problem of over penetration. But you also have hydrostatic shock.

Both platforms are lethal, in the right hands. Both offer a variety of choices in caliber. But the AR is still "better". :D
 
AR's are better for what is the question you bring up. If these are for woods defense, then the high caliber lever rifles are your only true option in many ways. .223 and .308 caliber isn't the best when you see a charging bear before you.

For people with the amount of ammo in a magazine, of course, an AR has better potential. For the woods, lever rifles are hands down the best. As in many debates on types of rifles/calibers, it always comes back to, "it depends."
 
Does a Lever Action Rifle jam?
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I am just a little curious. I have read many discussions about semi-automatic weapons stove piping etc. I have experienced an M16 misfeeding because of the pitiful maintenance done on the mags that were loaded for us. But I can't recall any stories of a lever action jambing or having a feeding malfunction. Is the lever action as dependable as a revolver? Would having a lever action over a semi-automatic be a sensible decision. Of course, an AR has a multitude of high capacity mags available, while the highest capacity lever action will usually be 10 or 12 rounds. But which one can be trusted to always perform when needed?

That is the OP in its entirety. He begins by stating troubles he had experienced with a M16 (AR platform). I don't see anything about "call to arms". Maybe that was in a later post?

He asks if a lever action rifle is as reliable as a revolver. IMHO opinion, they are. At least my 444 Marlin has never jammed and I don't even have to worry about the ejector unscrewing or getting a bit of powder residue under the extractor.

His next question was which could be trusted to work when needed, an AR or a lever gun? My answer to that would be that either can be trusted to work. My AR's, M1, M1 Carbine, Lever Guns, and bolt actions have all worked when I shouldered them.
 
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