Do you support the war in Iraq?

Do you support the war in Iraq?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 166 65.1%

  • No.

    Votes: 84 32.9%

  • Undecided/Don't Know/Don't care.

    Votes: 5 2.0%
  • Total voters
    255
Butch

Your a very good sport and I am happy you answered me back. Thanks for your service to the Army and our country. Vietnam did leave me scratching my head and still does. My brother in-law was a crew chief on a chopper during that war. He doesn't talk much about it at all. Now he's in Bosnia doing 18 months..... I hope he will retire once he is finished there?

If I could give you a cyber hand shake (****) and a thanks again........


Take care and I hear you about a learning tool too..... I have also been wrong and had to sit down and hear the band. If we aren't learning - we are dead......

Best wishes....

Rojoe :D
 
Late to the party, but I voted Yes, trusting rather than believing I had enough good information to be against it. I am not so sure about how we went about starting it but I am absolute in supporting the troops, believing we should always finish what we start, intending to win.
 
From Methuselah: Are we really willing to fight the forces of evil and corruption?
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If we are going to fight the good fight, let's start in our backyard. I would support liberting Cuba, and I would also support cleaning the drug cartels out of Columbia and outher SA strongholds. Drugs are causing huge damage to our USA, far more damage than terrorists are, yet we play patty cake with the drug lords and go to the other side of the world to fight evil that hardly touches us by comparison.

From Rojo67: If I could give you a cyber hand shake (****) and a thanks again........
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Much Obliged and right back at you, looking forward to more conversations with you.

From Real Gun: I am not so sure about how we went about starting it but I am absolute in supporting the troops, believing we should always finish what we start, intending to win.
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One of the hard lessons is that everything we start doesn't always make sense just because we started it, and finishing something that doesn't make sense, will not make it make sense in the end.
 
1.2 BILLION (?) mm mm mm, so many targets, where does one start? We could start with their holiday in Mecca with a nice air fuel bomb, (or two) that would take care of a billion or so...............

By the by, you never answered my question: you ever been in a bar fight? I don't know whether I won or lost, but there is one ol' boy with my teeth prints somewhere on his body. The point is, we are going to have to fight these S O Bs at some point in time (if, IF your honest with yourself, you know it) so we might as well get in the first kick.

Also, a question, why do you think they aint botherin' the Chi coms? :D Just a question.
 
We should all convert to Islam, its the only reason they're fighting us. Alexander the Great adopted many Persian customs unpopular in Macedonia to keep the peace while he was away (from Persia) campaigning. He also executed opponents of this plan.

Then we could fight a holy war against the Chinese infidels with nuclear weapons with absolutely no guilt, everyone would be a winner!
 
OK, Lets

Let's put this in perspective...
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When our Commander-in-Chief announced "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" the number of American dead was only 8% of the current 1800+! I support our troops too, end the waste of American lives!
 
By the by, you never answered my question: you ever been in a bar fight?
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No. I have seen a few though and always thought it was a waste of both time and energy. Never saw one that wasn't over something stupid either.
 
and........You missed the whole point!
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You mean the point about fighting hard fast and dirty? Getting in the first, second and third lick first? The point that a war isn't a tea party and we should go kick major butt?

I agree with all of that, for a fight that is worth fighting.
 
No, the point is that the Muslims are not going to let us rest until we are history. Just like Isreal, they keep backing up and backing up and still the palistiniens (sic) will not leave them alone. So, we know a fight is coming, lets get some. I'm not one of these "lets take it outside" types, if I can smell it, its gonna be right here and right now.

There is a passage in the Bible, (Samual ?) I do not remember where but God told them to kill the enemy, everyone. Women, children, cattle, all. Do not take any of it, destroy it all. But they took some of the stock and their kingdom failed.

Islam has got to be destroyed, totally, completly, entirely. Or they will destroy us. It puts a cold chill in my heart.

If you think that this is not entwined with our religon and theirs you are missing the whole war.
 
There is a passage in the Bible, (Samual ?) I do not remember where but God told them to kill the enemy, everyone. Women, children, cattle, all. Do not take any of it, destroy it all. But they took some of the stock and their kingdom failed.

Islam has got to be destroyed, totally, completly, entirely. Or they will destroy us. It puts a cold chill in my heart.
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I believe that was also Hitler's solution for the Jews, wasn't it? Are you actually advocating that every man, woman and child of the muslim faith in the world should be executed?

I really hope I am not understanding you correctly.
 
"Islam has got to be destroyed, totally, completly, entirely. Or they will destroy us. It puts a cold chill in my heart."


Wow, that is completely ignorant. I suppose someone saying that WOULD support a fascist regime.

Look buddy, America was founded on freedom of religion! We were oppressed in England, and we fled here.

People here are free to worship Buddha, Muhammad, or Daffy Duck if they want and I will fight FOR that freedom. It is one of several certain, unalienable rights.

Allow me to recommend an author to you- Bernard Lewis. He is pretty much the go to guy for most people concerned with Islam and the in and outs of Middle East politics. Any of his modern works on Islam should really help enlighten somebody with your sentiment.

Islam is NOT a violent religion. Muslims in America SHOULD be allowed to practice without harassment. I am very good friends with a certain Muslim, and so perhaps am too highly offended by a comment like that...but I can't be angry because you aren't properly informed.

Not even FUNDAMENATL Islam is necessarily a violent religion! There is no context for a holy war or jihad, and that is why 99% of Muslims aren't walking around the United States blowing things up.

There is a very small group of radical extremist fundamentalists who have been misled by Osama and other leaders, because they have often been mistreated in the past or are simply mad (crazy).

Remember, there are some radical extremist fundamentalists in Christianity as well! They hide out in the woods, and like to bomb things...such as buildings in Ohio, I believe. I was only around ten or eleven when that happened, so many 95', 96'?

Please, get informed, as well as not embracing such outwardly racist statements. Color and religion really dictate quite little of a man's quality, for I have met some dregs of society that share the same pasty white Christian sentiment that I do.
 
1800 American dead for this!

Another Islamic state! Who's being played for a fool? The list seems to be quite long. Iraq Ambassador to the US (8/28/05) "I expect increased violence".8/28/05 Meet the Press

Gen. Wesley Clark "Maybe it breaks down into civil war", " Iraq is being ripped apart by it's neighbors" "blunder to go into Iraq, I wish we hadn't done it". "We could have worked against Saddam in a different manner". "Strong insurgency to continue a year from now", "Administration is creating paper mache government"

Gen. McCaffrey "we cannot sustain this deployment much longer, after next summer we are in trouble". "without the support of the American People this war will come to a grinding stop", "Rumsfield handled the Iraq intervention badly". "Insurgency will be strong 1 year from now" We are going to fatally damage the National Guard (40% of troops)"

Gen. Wayne Downing "withdraw troops based on conditions", "we have to have the support of the American People", "a year from now we will still have insurgents"

Gen. Meigs "we can put in more troops if we have to but it will be hard", "we wasted the first 12 months in Iraq"," the precepts of this war were wrong", "The Army HAS to recruit 80,000 new recruits a year"
 
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Butch & Defjon:

A topic I pulled from the Denver Post Saturday 27 Aug. 2005 A.P.: sub headline, "Bomb maker Deif saya group's goal to obliterate Israel". Because we have aligned our selves with Israel,we will be next. You can't see the forest for the trees. Stick your head in the sand if you want, time will bear me out. War is not pretty and this one most definitly will not be. I hope I'm not around to see it. I am thankfull that I leave no blood kin around to suffer what the peace nicks have gotten us into.

To defjon: I am not your "buddy". Does your Muslim pal speak out (and loudly) about what the insurgents are doing? I didn't think so. Why not? why havent we heard ANYTHING from the Muslim comunity?
 
Too late to turn back

I don't think we should ever have invaded Iraq. I don't believe President Bush and Vice President Cheney were honest with the American people about making their case for war. I also think we've made a list of mistakes as long as my arm since we've gotten in there.

Having said all that, we can't go backwards and have a do-over. We can only go forwards. We removed the legal system, government, military and police force in Iraq - all the forces that, however flawed they were, hold a country together are now gone, by our hand. That's behind us now. I don't think we can just run away because we screwed up and it blew up in our faces. Should have thought about that more before we invaded. It's too late for that now, and a catastrophic failure would be far too costly. In my opinion, we need to do everything possible to restore stability and have some credible path forward to success for that country, or we will really be sorry we went in there a few years down the road...

As Colin Powell more succinctly put it "You break it, you bought it"...
 
The Middle East is going to go through a great deal of destabilization whether we stay or leave. We have to change our strategy, We don't have enough troops in the pipeline to finish what we started, ergo "staying the course" is really not an option and the sooner we admit it, the better. We can only maintain our current effort until next summer, do you really believe the insurgency will be reduced or over a year from now? Our military is designed for short, small wars. Why did/does Bush and Rumsfield ignore this fact? Why do many on The Firing Line? I bet the insurgents aren't ignoring this fact and neither are Iran, North Korea and Syria. I wonder who else is just waiting in the wings? What say you the 157? Time for a reality check and realistic solutions instead of chest beating!
 
Time for a reality check and realistic solutions instead of chest beating!
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telewinz - I am not "chest beating". I am advocating stabilizing the country - that means logistical, political, administrative work, civil engineering, and of course, given the present climate, providing aggressive security. The military should at this point not be there for combat, but for providing a deterrent to chaos, and for assisting with the above tasks.

This discussion could be long, but one suggestion for something we could do differently is when spending money on reconstruction projects - don't use foreign (non-Iraqi) firms who use foreign labor - they've shown a great tendancy towards widespread fraud that has cost billions as well as poor performance (good ol' Halliburton). Hire Iraqi firms and Iraqi labor - not only will that earn a lot of goodwill, the jobs will give the population something to do, and provide some much needed money for their pockets. Additionally, it will give some new companies there experience, and so help them to get started. To top it off, I am sure that the Iraqi companies would charge a heck of a lot less than the western firms, and save taxpayer dollars.

I have viewed the Iraqi contractor fiasco as *pure graft*. If the goal is to help stand up an Iraqi economy and business base, then paying American companies tens of billions to go over there and do the work makes zero sense. The only obvious beneficiary of that strategy is the American companies who are awarded the massive contracts. I think this was an enormous waste of money and another one of the huge lost opportunities for success. The lack of jobs has been constantly cited as an enormous problem there from the beginning - and yet how do we spend our billions on work done right there? Foreign labor. :rolleyes:

While most of that spending is behind us, I am sure there is still plenty of reconstruction work to be done though, and we could still change our M.O. and start to hire Iraqi companies with Iraqi workers to accomplish things there. Better to do the right thing late than never!
 
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Does your Muslim pal speak out (and loudly) about what the insurgents are doing? I didn't think so. Why not? why havent we heard ANYTHING from the Muslim comunity?
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My Muslim SO speaks out loudly about it all the time. She's also afraid of people like you who want to go around killing every last man, woman, and child who is muslim in response to what terrorists do. I find it scary myself that my fellow Americans would allow themselves to be caught up in this kind of groupthink.

Immigrant muslim groups supported Bush in 2000. There are significant religious authorities that denounce violence in Iraq, ie, Ali Al Sistani, and elsewhere in the middle east.

You haven't heard anything from the Muslim community because you have not bothered to look. When's the last time you read a muslim-authored piece on terrorism that wasn't written by wahabists? Or actually even bothered to look for muslim condemnation of terrorism? I'm not sure what people want. Should muslims buy full page ads in every American daily to denounce terrorism?

Hamas and a few other turkeys inflate their egos by pretending to speak for a billion people. You give them aid and comfort by buying their line of fascist baloney.
 
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