Do you guys drink?

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I'm another one who quit in 04 so not a worry. With the new laws, hopefully the people from Colorado don't smoke and shoot:D
 
Ruger480 said:
What do the rest of you think?
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I think this is a perfect example of how alcohol usually makes any confrontation worse, especially if we're talking about anything more than a couple of drinks.

I doubt the original confrontation would have occurred had the host not been drunk. And when you wrote this...
Ruger480 said:
I do believe that had they tried to talk to him or approach him, they may well have been shot.
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...it only shows how much worse alcohol can make a situation like this. If he had been sober I doubt you would've been worried he would shoot them simply for talking to him.
 
it only shows how much worse alcohol can make a situation like this. If he had been sober I doubt you would've been worried he would shoot them simply for talking to him.
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This is true, if he had been sober I doubt the gun would have come out.
 
I enjoy red wine with and after dinner, and have averaged half a bottle a day (2.5 drinks) for the past 40 years. To some that may sound like a lot, but it is actually quite typical in many countries such as Italy, France, and Spain.

My limit for driving is two glasses of wine when dining out. At my size (6'3", 210 lbs), two drinks consumed over one hour puts my blood alcohol level at 0.022%. Likewise for half a bottle of wine over 1.5 hours. In fact, for me to hit a BAC of 0.08% I would have to drink a whole bottle of wine in one hour! If I did that I would be swaying and slurring, and would never even consider getting behind a wheel or carrying.

TomVA

BAC Calculator: http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/#LinkURL
 
I find it amusing this thread has gone on for 3 pages now, being non gun related. What's next, what cheese to pair with a nice merlot ? :D
 
There are some posts that are pushing the limits but the thread itself was and is gun related... carry and/or using firearms while drinking and what are the limits?
 
I find it amusing this thread has gone on for 3 pages now, being non gun related.
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I'm not sure you understand the question from the first post. It pertains to drinking in your home and using a firearm for defense.
 
I'm sure there are countless of case's a year where drunks sitting around in a house and shoot each other . I know that is not a case you are looking for but read any local papper you can see the result of booze .
 
4 Paws said:
I find it amusing this thread has gone on for 3 pages now, being non gun related. What's next, what cheese to pair with a nice merlot ?
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Huh? I'm guessing you didn't bother to read anything more than the thread title. Because the original post and most of the following posts have been directly gun related. Trust me, if this thread wasn't gun related it would've been closed long ago.
 
Originally posted by psalm7:

I'm sure there are countless of case's a year where drunks sitting around in a house and shoot each other .
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The Venola/O'Neil case a coupla years back was one of the more publicized. Venola was an editor for Guns and Ammo Magazine and prosecutors contended Venola shot O'Neill during a drunken argument at the Golden Valley duplex where Venola lived. Charges were dropped after two hung juries, but booze was considered to have had a big influence in what happened. Venola claimed it was self defense and said he shot O'Neil because he was afraid he was going home to get his own gun.

Guns and booze are not a safe combination. Too much at stake to purposely dim your wits and dull your senses. Still, there's nuttin' wrong with a responsible drink or two at the end of the day with friends without your firearms or when at home.
 
If I want to get, or accidentally get, completely wasted at my own home that's my business. I don't but it's my business. Provided I successfully and properly and legally defended myself and/or my family in my own home and the evidence supports my actions then my blood-alcohol level is of zero concern.
 
I'm not an excessive drinker but I do enjoy a nice brewski every few days..when I do drink I don't go off my property and I'm not the one to get drunk either I'll have a few to enjoy them and call it a night..the way I feel is if someone breaks into my house while I'm drinking I'd rather have to be in a court room to explain to a jury why I was drunk when I shot a cracked out intruder than be free from judgment at a family members funeral..with that said I believe even if drinking so long as you arnt so drunk as to not be able to put a understandable sentence together let alone make a smart decision you are still within every right of the law to defend your home and family,now if you are in a bar or restraint that is a entire different situation because then you will be under judgement for having your gun in a public place with alcohol in that situation I advise you leave it in the car when going out to drink
 
8MM Mauser said:
Your implication that caffeine has a greater affect on judgement and dexterity is scientifically inaccurate as well as unwise advice.
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That's not what I was saying. I'm saying that people are so hopped up on their caffeine that it just takes the least little thing to set them off and they go all road rage on someone. I'm not talking about driving while falling down drunk. I'm talking about sipping on a beer while stuck in traffic during rush hour. The people who are hopped up on caffeine get all bent out of shape if someone tries to cut in front of them. The guy who is sipping on his beer just smiles and waves them into the 6-lane parking lot that we call "rush hour".
 
I might have a beer during a game, or a couple when out with the guys. Otherwise, i really don't drink very often. I won't operate a vehicle or any firearm when i've been drinking. It's not a big deal for me though.
 
NavyVet1959 said:
I'm saying that people are so hopped up on their caffeine that it just takes the least little thing to set them off and they go all road rage on someone.
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It seems to me that you're saying caffeine helps cause road-rage. Are you claiming that the rise in popularity of coffee and energy drinks has caused a rise in road-rage incidents? Do you have any evidence to support that? I'm guessing you don't.

I think you've mixed up correlation and causation. Using the same logic, I can claim that the nationwide increase in lemons being imported from Mexico is causing a decrease in the number of US highway fatality rates:

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NavyVet1959 said:
The guy who is sipping on his beer just smiles and waves them into the 6-lane parking lot that we call "rush hour".
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Except, unlike caffeine, there is plenty of good scientific evidence that having even a small amount of alcohol in your system while driving can increase your chance of being involved in a fatal car accident.

EDIT: I just noticed that I'm now guilty of making a non-gun-related post in this thread. So I'll add this: If alcohol has such a measurable effect on people who are driving, it probably isn't very good for people who are shooting, either.
 
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Theohazard said:
Except, unlike caffeine, there is plenty of good scientific evidence that having even a small amount of alcohol in your system while driving can increase your chance of being involved in a fatal car accident.
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Maybe where you are at rush hour consists of high speed driving, but around here it consists mainly of crawling along in first gear (and maybe second gear periodically). I'm often in it where I can't even idle in first gear without having to engage the clutch to go even slower. At these speeds, the only thing that is "fatal" is the boredom.

I suspect that the people who are hopped up on caffeine are in such a hurry that they are tailgating and are more likely to run into the back of someone if they have to slam on their brakes. I sit back and leave enough room that I don't have to slam on my brakes. If some caffeine addict wants to cut in front of me, I just wave them in.
 
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NavyVet1959 said:
I suspect that the people who are hopped up on caffeine are in such a hurry that they are tailgating and are more likely to run into the back of someone if they have to slam on their brakes.
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Once again, do you have anything at all to back this up? First you claim that caffeine causes road rage, now you claim that caffeine causes tailgating. Show me some evidence that caffeine actually causes these things, because it seems that you're simply using wild guesses in an attempt to justify your drinking while driving.


Studies have shown that any level of BAC can affect your driving:

http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelea...blood_alcohol_content_associated_with_causing

Now, do you have any references to back up your claims that caffeine causes road rage and tailgating?

I think it's pretty clear that alcohol doesn't mix well with cars or guns. Just because you've never had an accident while drinking and driving or drinking and shooting, that doesn't mean either are a good idea.
 
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Caffeine is a stimulant. People who are hopped up on caffeine lose patience. People with no patience tailgate.

I'm not talking about the person who just has a single cup of coffee. I'm talking about those caffeine addicts that basically mainline caffeine throughout the day. Surely you've seen these people.

But, then again, you list yourself as being in "Western WA", so perhaps you are a bit thin-skinned with respect to any criticism of excessive coffee consumption? :)

As far as I'm concerned, the "study" that you listed is just neo-puritan propaganda.
 
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