Do you carry to Church?
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kazanski612
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hoytinak - no worries. I'm waiting for my permit in Colorado (which they said was 10-12 weeks, ouch) and since Texas honors the CO permit, I'm sure I'll be carrying in Texas when I visit my parents.
In general discussion,I recently posted a thread"Lets remember Jeanne Assam,who stopped the killing"
It was about an armed woman who stopped a shooting spree in a church.
Thank God for dangerous women.Congregation of 7000.He had a Bushmaster,1000 rds and 2 handguns
New Life Church,Colorado Springs.You can search the history.
It was about an armed woman who stopped a shooting spree in a church.
Thank God for dangerous women.Congregation of 7000.He had a Bushmaster,1000 rds and 2 handguns
New Life Church,Colorado Springs.You can search the history.
texas chl laws
according to the 07-08 texas statutes, a church has to post the proper sign to prevent you from carrying concealed. Its on page 40 (PC w6.035) of the handbook. In reference to the OPs question, the laws that restrict carry by law-abiding citizens at certain locations do nothing more than make those places targets, as we saw in the nursing home shootings and church shootings like New Life. Just my opinion tho...
according to the 07-08 texas statutes, a church has to post the proper sign to prevent you from carrying concealed. Its on page 40 (PC w6.035) of the handbook. In reference to the OPs question, the laws that restrict carry by law-abiding citizens at certain locations do nothing more than make those places targets, as we saw in the nursing home shootings and church shootings like New Life. Just my opinion tho...
inSight-NEO
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It just seems to be something of an oddity when bringing a death-dealer into a place of peace (an unfortunate sign of the times?). Could bad things happen here? Sure. But, Im thinking I could go 45 minutes or so without a weapon in this case. Now, if I were to see someone packing heat, so to speak, it would not offend me. In fact, it just might spark a friendly conversation about weaponry! But, for myself, I would probably opt for leaving my weapon at home in this particular case.
Besides, my local church is not exactly in a "high crime" area. So, I would probably be less inclined to worry about the possibility of violence within those walls.
Besides, my local church is not exactly in a "high crime" area. So, I would probably be less inclined to worry about the possibility of violence within those walls.
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Well, I can speak to this one....I am a pastor of a church and I would welcome for a responsible CCW...carrying in the service...that means we won't be out gunned if some nut, like many have recently, come in to waste some people. That just keeps me from carrying....I hate it when my CC falls out as I am making a sermon point
Oh, and yes, that last comment was in jest. However, some of my deacons have addressed the matter to me...I think a couple of them decided to carry in church..."don't ask, don't tell".
Oh, I might also add. We are in a rural area...not "high crime area"...yet, last week a woman was murdered half mile from the church by a nut that came to rob her.
Oh, and yes, that last comment was in jest. However, some of my deacons have addressed the matter to me...I think a couple of them decided to carry in church..."don't ask, don't tell".Oh, I might also add. We are in a rural area...not "high crime area"...yet, last week a woman was murdered half mile from the church by a nut that came to rob her.
jeepman4804
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you can carry in church under the revised texas laws. I do. think about it... a bad guy is goin to be more likely to shoot up a place of worship or a school because of the assumed "gun free" mentality.
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2cooltoolz
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Well, now that I know that crime is restricted to certain areas, I probably won't.
As pointed out by a few on the thread, Church carry in TX is legal unless the license holder is given effective notice under Section 30.06.
The law (Section 46.035) is written in a confusing manner. It says carry in church is illegal, but then at the bottom of that section of law, it says that the subsection about carry in church is applicable only if the CHL holder is given notice that carry is not allowed per section 30.06.
Also as pointed out by a few on the thread. Gun free zones (regardless of how or why they're created) are good for criminals and bad for the law-abiding.
The law (Section 46.035) is written in a confusing manner. It says carry in church is illegal, but then at the bottom of that section of law, it says that the subsection about carry in church is applicable only if the CHL holder is given notice that carry is not allowed per section 30.06.
Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
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(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
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(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
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(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.
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(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
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(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
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(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.
Also as pointed out by a few on the thread. Gun free zones (regardless of how or why they're created) are good for criminals and bad for the law-abiding.
It is legal to carry in church in my state. Originally, I would not carry in church but I've carried long enough now that I don't think of it when I'm in church. It's kinda' like the church dress code. As an adult, I always went with a tie and usually a jacket. The church I attend is casual. It took awhile to get used to it but now I often go in jeans or shorts and don't think a thing about it.
Like a lot of different states in a lot of different ways, Ohio has it's share of poorly written and/or outright stupid laws.
In Ohio, any business can place a legal "gun buster" sign and nobody other than police officers can legally carry concealed in them. You are permitted, no matter what their sign says, to legally keep your firearm in your car.
Churches occupy their own odd little spot in Ohio, however. They do not have to post a sign to ban concealed carry in the church. It is legally assumed that carrying in church is illegal unless you have specific consent from the church, or the governing body of the church.
In Ohio, those folks who happen to be shooting pals with their pastor, or know someone on church council typically get the "okay" that makes them legal.
For normal average carry-permit guy (me) I may not legally carry unless I first approach the leadership of the church and get consent. So I have three options:
1) "Out" myself to the leader(s) of the church and ask permission, wondering if they'll say, "Cool, we do!" or "you want to WHAT?! WHY?"
2) Break the law and carry without consent, risking a felony and jail time, fines, lawyer fees, and my right to carry concealed and (with a felony), likely my right to own firearms at all.
3) Sit in church and hope it doesn't get attacked while I'm there.
In Ohio, any business can place a legal "gun buster" sign and nobody other than police officers can legally carry concealed in them. You are permitted, no matter what their sign says, to legally keep your firearm in your car.
Churches occupy their own odd little spot in Ohio, however. They do not have to post a sign to ban concealed carry in the church. It is legally assumed that carrying in church is illegal unless you have specific consent from the church, or the governing body of the church.
In Ohio, those folks who happen to be shooting pals with their pastor, or know someone on church council typically get the "okay" that makes them legal.
For normal average carry-permit guy (me) I may not legally carry unless I first approach the leadership of the church and get consent. So I have three options:
1) "Out" myself to the leader(s) of the church and ask permission, wondering if they'll say, "Cool, we do!" or "you want to WHAT?! WHY?"
2) Break the law and carry without consent, risking a felony and jail time, fines, lawyer fees, and my right to carry concealed and (with a felony), likely my right to own firearms at all.
3) Sit in church and hope it doesn't get attacked while I'm there.
Churches are probably not a place you would see your typical street crimes (robbery,etc) but are a prime place for crimes of violence. Many people attend church while trying to get their life back together after a relationship breakup or something similar and that makes the church a target for some of the mass shooting we have seen in the news over the last couple of years.
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