Do you carry a PPQ?

I am trying to teach myself to not blink when something is coming toward my face like in a high stress situation. I guess I need to take a class. Also, I am trying and very unsuccessfully to not make any of the nerves in my hands, wrist, fingers etc to not naturally contract under high stress. (Heck, that even happens sometimes while driving a car around people with Cell Phones that cut in front of me. )
I read a article that stated that anyone, or most people will when scared for their life actually place their finger on the trigger of their gun in a normal reaction. I feel I would be one of those. Man, I need some help really bad.
 
chemcal said:
Maybe yoy already have the help in the DAO you carry.
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Bingo.

Each person has to choose what works best for him or her. If you don't feel comfortable with a lighter trigger, there are options on the market that aren't that. If someone chooses differently that's on them.

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I am in the camp that a heavier trigger does give a better protection layer than a light trigger.
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There is a reason why the Military specifies a higher trigger pull force. It should be a balance, though.

Too heavy and you destroy the accuracy of the firearm and too light you not degrade accuracy as well as effectiveness, you become dangerous to yourself and the innocents around you.

I am trying to teach myself to not blink when something is coming toward my face like in a high stress situation. I guess I need to take a class. Also, I am trying and very unsuccessfully to not make any of the nerves in my hands, wrist, fingers etc to not naturally contract under high stress. (Heck, that even happens sometimes while driving a car around people with Cell Phones that cut in front of me. )
I read a article that stated that anyone, or most people will when scared for their life actually place their finger on the trigger of their gun in a normal reaction. I feel I would be one of those. Man, I need some help really bad.
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What is this...Kung FU??? If you walk the rice paper leaving no trace you will suddenly be a combat force to be reckoned with??

I think you are trying to get your autonomic fear response under control. If that is the case, control your breathing and you control your fear. It is not an appropriate reaction to the immediate threat but is a necessary skill for firefight development or any complex emergency situation. It is the "coffee break" to take over from the lizard brain and work a complex problem under extreme stress.

Just remember...

In combat the lizard brain takes over and you will do exactly what you trained yourself to do. That is appropriate for the immediate threat which is most applicable to CCW situations once the decision to shoot has been made.

Muscle memory takes over.

Train correctly each time you shoot and train all the way through follow up as well as expanding your visual scan once the target is down. Go from the holster to the re-holster including magazine drills both emergency and tactical reloads.

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Aim small and miss small.

It is beyond the scope of this thread to teach a combat pistol course but recognize this post as an attempt to help you prevent wasting time, money, and effort.
 
I grew to really like the 99AS after taking my first SW99/P99 armorer class, and it only continued to grow on me as I updated my armorer classes on the original 99 series. I carried an issued SW9940 for a few years and bought a couple of the models in 9 & .40. I didn't care for the QA, myself (what S&W marketed as their 990L, but without the field-stripping button of Walther's QA model), as the trigger pull was a bit heavier (8.54lbs). That was the same trigger pull weight as the 990/99DAO, but about 6mm shorter than the DAO's 14mm/.55" trigger travel.

Then again, I became quite accustomed to the TDA (Traditional Double Action, also called DA/SA) guns for working roles, having carried S&W 3rd gens for many years at work and off-duty.

I was always first and foremost a 1911 shooter, but found the TDA guns good for working/carry roles ... and grudgingly acclimated to the growing striker-fired trend as plastic pistols increased their market share. :p TDA is still something I find very comfortable, controllable and easy to use, though.

Walther has always had a very good product and under-appreciated product in the 99 series, but my personal preference will always be for the original Anti-Stress model, which can be used in TDA.

From an armorer's perspective, the PPQ is arguably a simpler action, since it doesn't involve having to balance the DA and SA modes (which may involve changing the trigger bar guide post or adjusting the trigger guide lever, depending on the vintage of the gun). The PPQ only has to deal with a single action setup. I won't be surprised if the PPQ establishes a strong presence in the gaming field.

Yes, the SA trigger pull of the Anti-Stress action is just a bit lighter in trigger pull than the standard PPQ's Quick Defense Trigger, being 4.5lbs versus 5.6lbs. However, the trigger travel distances are measured a bit differently between the 2 actions and are 1mm different.
 
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My info is dated, though, as I haven't updated my training since S&W stopped servicing their SW99/990L series models, and I think my last Walther armorer manuals were received back about 2010 or 2011. Things like specifications, materials and manufacturing methods can change pretty rapidly, which is why most major gun companies to create armorer training programs like armorers to recertify every 3 or 4 years (varies).

Fortunately, I just have to keep my hand in the 99 series enough to inspect, service and repair my own older model 99's, and those of a close friend (another retired peace officer and former firearms instructor). I was able to order and put back enough parts to keep our guns running for hopefully the rest of our lives. That's no small task with him, as he shoots a couple of his (9/.40's) all the time on his own private rural range.

Last time I asked him about an approximate round count, while I was inspecting his 99's a couple of years ago, he told me that he'd probably fired another 15-20K rounds since my last inspection ... and back at that time he said he'd fired more than 65K through each of his full-size SW99's. It was during that visit (bringing me several of his guns to inspect) that I'd initially thought he was screwing around me.

I usually suggest he clean his guns more frequently, as he typically brings them to me fouled from shooting them. (He usually says, "Hey, you're only to clean them anyway, right?") Anyway, that time, when I field-stripped his SW9940, I found it literally filled with oily and fouled sawdust, and not all little bits, but also including some sizeable damned chunks. :eek:

When I looked at him, he just shrugged and explained that he'd spent the last few days doing a lot of fence repair, using a chainsaw, and he'd not had time to clean the weapon. When my expression didn't change, he added that it wasn't a big deal, because he'd fired it on his range during and after the chain saw work, including right before he'd brought over to me, and it had functioned just fine. He didn't see the big deal. Well, hell, he did spend his formative young adult years on a couple of tours in SE Asia, after all, and has always had a different perspective regarding weapon cleanliness. :rolleyes:

I gave him some more RSA's and told him to at least replace the springs a little more often ... and please keep the damned sawdust out of his weapons. Like that will do any good. It's almost always an adventure when he brings me his revolvers, 1911's and other pistols to me to inspect them. :D
 
Yes and yes. PPQ M2 in a Vedder Lighttuck. Very comfortable with it. I typically remove the holstered gun from my carry position.
 
I had a tungsten grey PPQ until my daughter met me at the range and fell in love with it, "Oh daddy, this would make a great early birthday present". It did.

The PPQ has a great trigger and is a fine range gun but I preferred my PPS for carrying. The PPQ was okay for carrying when I had to wear multi-layers to stay warm but was hard to hide under a t-shirt.

The PPQ, like any handgun, needs to have the trigger guarded against unwanted activation from either foreign materials or the old booger picker when drawing and holstering.

Go for it if your build and fashion sense permit carrying a PPQ without drawing unwanted attention. It is a fine gun.
 
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As for the P99 AS, its a shame that HK couldn't design/manufacture such a nice DA trigger in their P 30. Never mind a lighter pull in their USPs.

This DA on the P99 has better "stacking" than my CZ PCR and Sig P228.
The more I shoot this P99, the more I Really like it.:D

And I mean using > only < DA for about half of my shots.

Do you guys notice how many people (--seasoned handgun shooters--) try out a gun which they are told is DA/SA...but Only shoot with the hammer (or striker) already cocked?

This always leaves me curious why they are only comfortable using SA----
 
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The gun smith I go to is a bulls eye shooter(1911 platform). He thinks the sig p series has horrible triggers. I let him try my P99 AS; he was not at all impressed; he'd rather use a striker and does for CC. It's a Glock 22. There are times when I wish I could feel comfortable with a Glock type firearm as they are easy to shoot accurately.
 
Sometimes I notice some grittiness in my 99AS trigger; is there a known cause and solution to this?
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How many rounds do you have through it? P99AS triggers are often a bit gritty when new, but break in to become remarkably smooth.

The gun smith I go to is a bulls eye shooter(1911 platform). He thinks the sig p series has horrible triggers. I let him try my P99 AS; he was not at all impressed; he'd rather use a striker and does for CC. It's a Glock 22. There are times when I wish I could feel comfortable with a Glock type firearm as they are easy to shoot accurately.
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That shows just how subjective trigger feel is. I own a few German-made SIGs (P226s and a P228) and they all have decent triggers. The double-action triggers are heavy, but that's the way they were designed.

The P99AS (which is striker-fired) does have a better trigger than the SIGs in my opinion. Lighter, crisper, and smoother.

It feels substantially better than a Glock trigger to me, but guess what? I tend to shoot Glocks as well or better than the SIGs or the P99AS. So that goes to show that there is a lot more to shooting well than just trigger feel.


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I understand "finger off trigger" for safety, but are you comfortable with this trigger platform for a CCW?
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I really, really liked shooting the PPQ and even carried it for a while. But all the time, I really wanted something similar in DA/SA.

If you feel more comfortable with DA/SA get a P99.
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Yep, so that's what I did. I now have both, and still really, really like the PPQ, but always carry the P99 AS instead.

I started liking the DA/SA shooting when I got my HK 45C. I was finding that my first (DA) shot landed pretty much where I wanted it, and was usually no more accurate than my follow-up SA shot.

If I have to sell one of them someday, with a depressed look on my face I will probably let the PPQ go.
 
This weapon is superior than any other in its class!! You won't be disappointed

I'm very pleased when shooting the PPQ. It's the idea of carrying it that concerns me.
 
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