Sturmgewehre
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NEWSFLASH: Bill Ruger is dead and has been for 6 years.
Do you applaud a company like Ruger for their recalls?
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NEWSFLASH: Bill Ruger is dead and has been for 6 years.
Sturmgewehre
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You have absolutely no proof of that, if you do, please share it.
Double Naught Spy
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Recalls like those Ruger has had to make are a sign of Beta testing with their consumers. That means they scrimped on their own testing, likely to save $ and guessed that there won't be any significant problems. Or, they just didn't bother being thorough and guessed their product was good. Either way, Ruger guessed wrong.
The recalls are necessary and appropriate. They are necessary because such problems pose a liability threat to the longevity of the company. They are appropriate because customers should get a safe and functional product.
The recalls are necessary and appropriate. They are necessary because such problems pose a liability threat to the longevity of the company. They are appropriate because customers should get a safe and functional product.
allenomics said:
So does every other gun manufacturer. That's the way the industry works. Name one major gun manufacturer that sells their firearms directly to the public. Does S&W? Colt? Taurus? Kel-tec? Browning? Hardly fair to try to kick Ruger for using the normal distribution channels for it's products like everyone else does.
In case you hadn't notice stock prices across the board have crashed. Saying Ruger's price has crashed only due to the recall is like saying Honda or GM's has crashed for the same reason. Every auto maker issues multiple recalls and service bulletins (which are a quiet recall) for every vehicle they sell.
It's not beta testing on the public. Recreating the problem they are fixing requires dropping the gun onto a hard surface (concrete) at just the right angle. Again I ask who are these morons who are dropping their guns? We also have no idea if the products from other makers suffer from the same problem but they are just choosing not to correct it.
This is an older article about Glocks not being drop safe and yet I don't recall a Glock recall. Did they modify the design in some way since this article to make them drop safe?
"The Glock was the only semiautomatic to fail in a recent round of "drop tests," Mr. Pledger said. In those tests, guns were dropped to the floor from waist height to see if the impact caused them to fire.
"In many cases, the Glock pistols will not pass the drop test," he said. "If you drop it exactly right, it can go off."
The F.B.I., police departments in Los Angeles and Chicago, the California Highway Patrol and the Metro-Dade Police Department in Florida have banned Glocks for routine use by their officers, citing a range of safety and training problems. All these departments have selected other brands of semiautomatics instead. The Philadelphia Police Department has been testing Glocks for several years and has not reached a conclusion about their safety.
New York's own pilot program has produced the types of accidental shootings that have prompted other departments to ban Glocks. " http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE2DB1F3FF936A25755C0A964958260
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Chuckusaret
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Here is another little past slap in the face from Bill Ruger
You must not be able to comprehend the written word. Past: Having existed or taken place in a period before the present
You must not be able to comprehend the written word. Past: Having existed or taken place in a period before the present
Bill Ruger is dead. Harboring a grudge against the company that bears his name for what he said is ridiculous. Do you refuse to buy Ford's because Henry Ford was a raging anti-Semite? Or S&W's because a previous owner of the company was in bed with the anti's?
"Ford first voiced his anti-Semitic leanings in 1915, around the time of his �Peace Ship� episode. Eventually, his belief that the �International Jew� was the source of the world�s problems led him to conduct a campaign against them in the pages of his newspaper; The Dearborn Independent. The articles in Ford�s newspaper blamed the Jews for everything from the Bolshevik Revolution and the First World War to bootlegged liquor and cheap movies. They also accused the Jews of conspiring to enslave Christianity and destroy the �Anglo-Saxon� way of life. The articles were later gathered into book form and published under the title: The International Jew: The World�s Foremost Problem. This book was translated into 16 languages, and was to have a profound influence upon the growing Nazi movement in Germany. Eventually, Ford publicly apologized for the articles in light of a legal suit. However; he continued to express his anti-Semitic beliefs in his private circles. In the 1930�s, he hired many fascist sympathizers, accepted an award from Hitler; and engaged in business ventures in Nazi Germany. In the 1940�s, the Ford Motor Company was transformed into a more tolerant organization through the efforts of Ford�s son and grandson. However; Ford himself never abandoned his deep-rooted anti-Semitism."http://history.hanover.edu/hhr/99/hhr99_2.html
"Ford first voiced his anti-Semitic leanings in 1915, around the time of his �Peace Ship� episode. Eventually, his belief that the �International Jew� was the source of the world�s problems led him to conduct a campaign against them in the pages of his newspaper; The Dearborn Independent. The articles in Ford�s newspaper blamed the Jews for everything from the Bolshevik Revolution and the First World War to bootlegged liquor and cheap movies. They also accused the Jews of conspiring to enslave Christianity and destroy the �Anglo-Saxon� way of life. The articles were later gathered into book form and published under the title: The International Jew: The World�s Foremost Problem. This book was translated into 16 languages, and was to have a profound influence upon the growing Nazi movement in Germany. Eventually, Ford publicly apologized for the articles in light of a legal suit. However; he continued to express his anti-Semitic beliefs in his private circles. In the 1930�s, he hired many fascist sympathizers, accepted an award from Hitler; and engaged in business ventures in Nazi Germany. In the 1940�s, the Ford Motor Company was transformed into a more tolerant organization through the efforts of Ford�s son and grandson. However; Ford himself never abandoned his deep-rooted anti-Semitism."http://history.hanover.edu/hhr/99/hhr99_2.html
...mounatin out of a mole hill, with a dead horse on top...
So a few 'people' complained when they 'dropped' their gun's (after how many beers?) on a hard surface, that 'may' have went off
Quite a few guns will do that.
Was it blowing up under normal use? No. Did anyone here duplicate this or know of it happening? I don't.
Is not the Company standing behind thier product and actually responding to customer input and changing the design? But yet, in this 'day and age', they getta black eye. If they were the only one with 'an issue', I could see it but comon....why hate?
I've had a buncha Rugers... had a bud with the pre-redo .380. He never had an issue and shot the livin' beans outta it.
I'd buy a Ruger blindfolded. For a few reasons. Great products, great service are just two that come to mind.
Flame on kiddies... or not.
So a few 'people' complained when they 'dropped' their gun's (after how many beers?) on a hard surface, that 'may' have went off
Quite a few guns will do that.
Was it blowing up under normal use? No. Did anyone here duplicate this or know of it happening? I don't.
Is not the Company standing behind thier product and actually responding to customer input and changing the design? But yet, in this 'day and age', they getta black eye. If they were the only one with 'an issue', I could see it but comon....why hate?
I've had a buncha Rugers... had a bud with the pre-redo .380. He never had an issue and shot the livin' beans outta it.
I'd buy a Ruger blindfolded. For a few reasons. Great products, great service are just two that come to mind.
Flame on kiddies... or not.
juster8149
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I know a guy who shot himself in the arm with a un-recalled blackhawk. They (the prosecution) wanted him to go to CT (i think it was CT) to testify for them. He didn't. I asked why he said it was his fault he wasn't pointing in a safe direction while letting down the hammer. I forgot to ask if ruger compensated him for that. Upstanding people who take personal responsibility for their actions are becoming less and less these days. In turn ruger has to issue recalls to cover ass from the wrath of idiots and their lawyers. Also to fix mechanical issues with the design. Some would wonder if the latter is the main reason. I think the whole blackhawk issue burned them bad as well and they aren't taking any chances.
1. Rushed design, production, release.
2. Really does fire when dropped? Or to make cali passable.
3. Blackhawk burn. Liability protection.
1. Rushed design, production, release.
2. Really does fire when dropped? Or to make cali passable.
3. Blackhawk burn. Liability protection.
Dave Chuppa
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It takes balls to admit you made a mistake. They are making it Right. I applaud them. Go Ruger, Made In U.S.A. and I don't even like the LCP.
C`mon, do some of you really think a multi-million dollar co. with a reputation for well built guns like Ruger is using Beta testing when it comes to the safety of their firearms. How about some documentation of those statements. Glad some of you aren`t anti-gun but you sure could supply them(anti`s) with their ammo. We`re not talking about toaster here(although many of them have been recalled). IMO the gun industry as a whole has a very good track record when it comes to safety compaired to the auto industry. Gun industry has to set itself to a higher standard cause of the liability and the fact the anti`s would be right there screaming if say 2-3 thous. guns blew up in someones hand. Just think if we had anti-car people. With the amount of auto`s that have blown up for one reason or another we would all be walking. Manufacturing a perfect product is something thats strived for by most every company everyday but is NEVER done. Show me one company thats been in business very long thats never turned out a flaw and I`ll show you a company that has a liar for a PR person.
poo-pooers poohs
If what I read here is true, then Colt has been Beta-testing its 1911s for a very long time....
Please don't confuse Ruger-hate for recall issues; Ruger stepped up, unlike certain others in the firearms industry, who dealt with similar issues on a case by case basis only.
Ruger owners should be glad the company took responsibility to remove the issue (and not the gun).
Beta-testing, yeah right.
It's not like we're discussing the American auto industry....use some common sense.
Please.
If what I read here is true, then Colt has been Beta-testing its 1911s for a very long time....
Please don't confuse Ruger-hate for recall issues; Ruger stepped up, unlike certain others in the firearms industry, who dealt with similar issues on a case by case basis only.
Ruger owners should be glad the company took responsibility to remove the issue (and not the gun).
Beta-testing, yeah right.
It's not like we're discussing the American auto industry....use some common sense.
Please.
Texshooter
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Nobody likes recalls, especially the manufacturers.
But it shows the maker has their customers interest at heart.
Compare that to a company that makes teutonic Blocks and will scream their lungs out, WE DON'T HAVE RECALLS."
I would much rather deal with people that have the integrity to, pardon me, bite the bullet to make things right than deal with a company lacking in honesty.
But it shows the maker has their customers interest at heart.
Compare that to a company that makes teutonic Blocks and will scream their lungs out, WE DON'T HAVE RECALLS."
I would much rather deal with people that have the integrity to, pardon me, bite the bullet to make things right than deal with a company lacking in honesty.
Double Naught Spy
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Yes, even big name, high dollar companies with good reputations beta test products on their consumers, either by design or by failing to fully test products themselves.
If you don't want to believe they have done this by design (and I am not claiming they have) then they have done so unintentionally due to problems in product design and in-house testing where they failed to uncover problems of product safety. It would not be surprising for a product rushed through to production. Just how much testing did the LCP receive? It went from concept to delivery in just 8 months.
If you don't want to believe they have done this by design (and I am not claiming they have) then they have done so unintentionally due to problems in product design and in-house testing where they failed to uncover problems of product safety. It would not be surprising for a product rushed through to production. Just how much testing did the LCP receive? It went from concept to delivery in just 8 months.
armsmaster270
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I am not happy about recalls but I applaud a company that takes care of their customers way after the cash is in their pocket.
Darwin'ism at work?
My pre-NM BH never did that decocking, it wont go off if decocked correctly.....never pointed it myself either, as one of the RULES implies.
The '1873 rule' as a precaution applies here to all non-transfer bar revolver's as well. Hammer down on an empty chamber.
Compensated him? For being unsafe?
How could anyone stand up in court and testify to that with a straight face, I'll never know. Sounds like he owned up to it (I hope/think), good on him for that, if so. It could have been much worse.
BullsEyeBo
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Ruger solidified my relationship by taking care of this sutiation the way they did. Extra mag and turn around time was 1 week. I have pre and post SR9's but couldn't tell the difference in the two when the recall was done.
Mark Milton
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Everyboyd recalls something sometime.
Ruger is to be credited for calling a spade a spade though.
I remember when Glocks were slamfiring all over the place back when all they made was the model 17, and Glock recalled them, yet refused to admit it was a recall. I think they tried to weasel their way around by calling it a mandatory product upgrade or some sort of nonsense.....
I do think that many of these companies need to test these guns in real world conditions though, be fore they turn them loose. That would give them the time to correct the bugs...
Ruger is to be credited for calling a spade a spade though.
I remember when Glocks were slamfiring all over the place back when all they made was the model 17, and Glock recalled them, yet refused to admit it was a recall. I think they tried to weasel their way around by calling it a mandatory product upgrade or some sort of nonsense.....
I do think that many of these companies need to test these guns in real world conditions though, be fore they turn them loose. That would give them the time to correct the bugs...
Sturmgewehre
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I would be fine with the LCP recall if they would just return my LCP! 3 weeks and counting!
Stop the presses! Smith and Wesson has been using the public as beta testers for the iBolt rifle. They have now recalled all of them made before Dec 1, 2008.
Smith & Wesson has identified a condition that may exist with the bolt supplied with some rifles that would allow the striker to become disengaged from its locking tabs during cycling of the bolt, allowing the rifle to fire without the trigger being pulled. In the interest of consumer safety, we are initiating this recall to allow for the prompt inspection and, if necessary, the repair and replacement of each bolt.
This recall applies to the bolts of all i-Bolt rifles manufactured by Smith & Wesson prior to December 1, 2008.
They also had to recall their Performance Center Model 460XVR Revolvers in 2007 because, " of a few isolated reports of barrel failures limited to the Performance Center 460 revolvers. Investigation has revealed the quality of the steel in some of these barrels did not meet performance requirements."
Remington should have recalled the 597 magazines which they had to redesign twice. The originals were jam-o-matics which tarnished the launch of an otherwise very nice semi-auto .22. How can a company like Remington fail to be able to a) not design a freaking .22 magazine that will feed reliably and b) not catch such an obvious problem? Perhaps they should have just adopted one of the dozens of already proven magazine designs already on the market instead of reinventing the wheel.
Ruger and S&W get a good grade from me for taking appropriate action when a problem was discovered with their product. Sorry Remington, you failed.
Smith & Wesson has identified a condition that may exist with the bolt supplied with some rifles that would allow the striker to become disengaged from its locking tabs during cycling of the bolt, allowing the rifle to fire without the trigger being pulled. In the interest of consumer safety, we are initiating this recall to allow for the prompt inspection and, if necessary, the repair and replacement of each bolt.
This recall applies to the bolts of all i-Bolt rifles manufactured by Smith & Wesson prior to December 1, 2008.
They also had to recall their Performance Center Model 460XVR Revolvers in 2007 because, " of a few isolated reports of barrel failures limited to the Performance Center 460 revolvers. Investigation has revealed the quality of the steel in some of these barrels did not meet performance requirements."
Remington should have recalled the 597 magazines which they had to redesign twice. The originals were jam-o-matics which tarnished the launch of an otherwise very nice semi-auto .22. How can a company like Remington fail to be able to a) not design a freaking .22 magazine that will feed reliably and b) not catch such an obvious problem? Perhaps they should have just adopted one of the dozens of already proven magazine designs already on the market instead of reinventing the wheel.
Ruger and S&W get a good grade from me for taking appropriate action when a problem was discovered with their product. Sorry Remington, you failed.