Disturbing police/ SWAT picture

At a minimum, I also fail to see the purpose of the "good guys" wearing masks? What tactical function does the face-covering serve? It sure doesn't look like a kevlar flak-mask or anything to me....
 
Sorry, Antipitas. The part I thought you where talking about your post was the "Something about castles and thieves in the night". I thought you where talking about the Exosus passage. My bad.:o .
 
Government is invading american's homes so often it is effectively routine. You allowed government to enjoy the power from the now "routine traffic stop," you allowed it to wage an endless war on us (which government lies and calls a "war on drugs"), so this is just a continuation. I don't see americans anywhere deciding to roll back government's unconstitutional powers.
The bottom line is we're just subjects bowing to politions and their laws and it won't long before we,re standing out in the streets like the poor Iraqies, but one big difference, we won't be waving any guns as they will be removed from us before the final police state is in place. Every law whether we think it's right or wrong just puts us a little further under the govs thumb. I know people that say ,"we won't give up our guns" but when a couple thousand troopers and guardsmen are ordered to go into a town to pick up all the weapons and the news and pictures get out about the way it was done, other towns will just get in line to hand over their property or it can be done the easy was, just make it against the law to sell shells,bullits. powder ect. just as easy as pulling bad spinich off the shelves.. 9/11 done more than get us in a world war, it's the start to our end of our freedom. now you'all can scorld me with the keys but you had better start waking up.
 
9/11 done more than get us in a world war, it's the start to our end of our freedom. now you'all can scorld me with the keys but you had better start waking up.
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Things like this were happening long before 9/11. The only difference is that with the growth in the internet, what happens in Durham no longer just stays in Durham.

Rich is correct. Leadership and discipline must come first. I'd trust Sheriff Ken and his crew with pretty much anything short of a tactical nuclear weapon, and even then I probably wouldn't have an issue with it, since I don't live in Indiana and I don't have to pay for his "ammo." But I wouldn't necessarily say the same about many of the agencies in my area. What works in Boone Co. Indiana wouldn't necessarily work or be appropriate in Knox Co., Tennessee, or in Anderson, or Roane, or Claiborne.
 
The phrase "Don't hate the player,hate the game" comes to mind when viewing this picture.
The kid likely had the p_ss scared out of him during the raid and the officer
was trying to help while following protocall.
Yes there are bad cops, too gung-ho and on the take.
Most are just trying to get through the day and get home safley while keeping
the bosses happy maybe even making a differance.
The problem is we have some bad laws due to people who feel it's their
job to dictate or impose a lifestyle on others.
I fear this trend is getting worse.
Hopefully we'll wise up before we impose so many laws that freedom is lost
until the next revolution.
There is so much right with America it would be a shame to let it get away from us.

rdan
 
Why do the "good guys" wear masks?
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Protection from chemicals and fighting, as well as protecting their identities. Are you so naive as to think that the drug dealers wouldn't love to know who was arresting them so they can dish out some retribution later?
 
G-Cym
I see your point.
Do you see that as a law abiding American I don't see the point!
Warrents are served on the wrong houses all the time.
If you burst through my door uninvited I'm not sure what kind of welcome
you'd recieve.
If I kicked in your door how would you react?


rdan
 
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Wow, all this debate over the context of a picture for which there is no verified source or confirmation.

Certainly no reporter has ever sensationalized an event to make it seem more significant so as to dupe folks into inappropriate responses or to promote personal agendas against law enforcement or the government.
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Rich said...
DoubleNaught-
The image is verified. See my references on page 1.
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Rich, checked your references. They don't hold up. Why? The pic and caption are pulled.

The image is missing from the second site as well.

Do you have any insight into why a college student photojournalism student would pull the caption and then the picture be removed from a website featuring award winning photographs? How about the 2nd?

Not a problem. The pic is real. But the interpretation, the context of the image is the part in question.

Actually, the caption was very short and didn't say much. It was the the rest of the information in the original post that set the hugely negative tone for the image was apparently written by other than Justin Cook and who was not present during the event.

I don't know who wrote that -- the photographer, a college reporter he was working with, or someone affiliated with the competition. It seems to suggest that nothing turned up in this particular raid. But more disturbingly, it suggests that the Durham police department sees nothing wrong with conducting a violent, door-busting raid that turns up no evidence, so long as it "sends a hard message." I'm hoping that's just a college journalist taking a flight of fancy. If the source for that quote was the Durham Police Department, someone needs to send them a few dozen of these.

Durham -- and neighboring Raleigh -- have a long, troubled history with botched police raids. Actually, the entire state of North Carolina is pretty bad. Two examples from Durham pulled from the raid map after the break.
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It is especially this last comment that gives the impression that what was going on via incompetence.

But let's change the perspective, shall we?

http://www.theagitator.com/archives/027321.php

December 13, 2006 Follow-Up on the SWAT Officer and Little Boy Photo

After I posted the image of the SWAT officer and the little boy at Reason on Monday (and here, with comments), the photographer who snapped the picture, Justin Cook, sent me an angry email. I called him, and we chatted for about an hour. His contention was that I and many other people around the Internet had taken the picture out of context. He said the moment he captured was a tender, humane one. I replied that my original post drew no conclusions about what happened on that particular raid, only that the picture effectively captured many of the absurdities of the drug war, and the increasingly militaristic way we police it.
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Justin was there. Justin doesn't think the cops were doing anything wrong.
 
DNS, you should have bolded this part of the quote because it is more relevant than Justin's opinion of how tender and humane the officer was towards the boy.

...the picture effectively captured many of the absurdities of the drug war, and the increasingly militaristic way we police it.
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Rational people can assume the cop wasn't forcing the child to pee at gun point.
 
Okay folks. I personally know every member of the Durham SET team, had Christmas dinner at their sniper's house with him and his family. I know, shoot and compete with them and past members of the squad. I know them to a man, to be some of the most forthright, honest and dedicated law enforcement officers I've ever encountered. While I don't know the specifics of this particular raid, I can guarantee that I can get clarification from the source.

I can say that those of you who are accusing them of Jack-booted thuggery are way off base and the one who insinuated pedophilia needs to have his tiny brain examined by a licensed psychologist.
 
Maybe the kid just really hates the toilette and the kind officer is keeping the bad monster toilette still so the kid can pee safely?:rolleyes: :D
 
Oh, come on.

Whether you oppose or support the war on drugs, and whether you consider the picture an example of jackbooted thuggery or a "tender, humane moment", let's not for one second pretend that the scene is not what it is.

The kid got an escort to the bathroom, where he did his business with an open door and an officer watching him, because SOP calls for making sure he doesn't flush evidence or retrieve a weapon.
 
That may well be the case Marko, but to assume that the cop is some evil pedophile for following procedure, or that he takes some sort of perverse pleasure in doing so is ludicrous.

And if that indignant "Oh, come on." was aimed at me, you can shove it.

Seriously, if that's procedure, let's look at why it became procedure. Probably because it's happened more than once. Kinda like all those disclaimers on hair dryers stating "don't use while in the bathtub". Kinda makes you think folks have been burned by that before. Says more about the parents and what they've taught their children, than the reaction by the cops. And for the record, I'm agains the WOD, but very much behind the gentlemen discussed here.
 
My Dislike? My dislikes are simple, really.
- I dislike the concept of "They probably had it coming. It appears drugs may have been involved."

- I dislike the knee jerk reaction of "Whatever it takes" in YOUR War on Drugs, but "Don't tread on me" in SOMEONE ELSE'S War on Firearms Violence.

- I dislike the callous attitude of Americans toward other Americans feeling the hard toe of a government boot, so long as the situation is not one we could envision ourselves in.

- I dislike Midnight, No Knock Warrants, especially where there are children and other innocents in the home or where those warrants could more safely be served on the sidewalk, in the light of day.

- I dislike the image of an eight year old boy being given permission to pee, and supervised by a masked Government Agent in body armor, with full auto weapon at the ready.

- I dislike being called a cop hater by the uninformed, simply because I happen to be a Constitutionalist who lacks others' fears of what my neighbors might be doing.

- I dislike the hypocrisy, which allows us to give the benefit of the doubt to someone charged with a gun "crime", all the while convicting, by Kangaroo Court, anyone accused of a drug "crime". In fact, I dislike hypocrisy, period.

- I dislike the abject fear that most American Gun Owners apparently live in. A fear which allows them to willingly grant .gov control over every aspect of their lives while uttering impotent slogans like "From My Cold Dead Fingers".

- But, what I especially dislike, is applause over the loss of liberty by those who consider themselves somehow Patriots because they own a gun and memorized the words "Shall not be infringed".

And I'm just warmin' up!
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wow, said perfectly!!!!! BRAVO!
 
I guess I am confused. The police made two confirmed drug buys from this house. They then went in and raided the house. What is wrong with that? The officer didn't let the child wonder of by himself in a CRIME SCENE. What is the issue? Whether you agree with a law or not, the law is the law. If you don't like the drug laws, campaign to change them. Do something about it. Just don't get mad when the police break in to a confirmed drug house. It makes no sense...
 
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