Disturbing police/ SWAT picture

9kg of meth can go that way
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9 kg? Of an organic powder? Do you realize you are talking about 18 pounds of powder? I'd do a calculation for you, but I think most people could see the futility of successfully flushing, in a rush, 18 pounds of powder down a toilet without spilling any. Hint: 18 pounds will have enough volume to fill the entire toilet and then some.

It's wild-eyed exaggerations like this one that facilitate the idiotic Prohibition II in the first place, so don't expect it to be the last one you'll ever see.

You should have picked LSD as your example.:D

And yes, I DO have MAJOR knowledge about drugs and organic chemistry in general, so feel free to accuse me of being a user on the basis of my knowledge. It's been implied before; you won't be the first.
 
Looks like the cop is enjoying watching a young boy using the restroom, kinda like a pedophile.
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Sick, overreaching, self serving projection of intent and emotion from a split second, time-slice view. Other than a low blow "gotcha", it serves only to widen the gulf.

That's the stuff I expect from VPC, not responsible adults.
Rich
 
One question I have to all of you is when does freedom become anarchy? There must be boundaries, but there must also be laws. Everyone blurs the line at some point.

I've noticed a trend especially in this thread and always in Legal and Political. Everyone screams as loud as they can and demands to be heard, defiantly shaking their fists in the air. When it comes down to it we are all screaming about the same things, just on opposing sides. If that makes sense.

People scream about freedom, but they don't fully know what we should do to attain "freedom" because freedom is a right, but it is treated as an ideal. If we go to absolute freedom then there is no law.

You don't want people taking your guns, but you want to be able to smoke weed. You want the cops to come running when you call them, but stay out of your business or do the right thing as you see it. You want the war to be over and the troops to come home, but you second guess them when they do something you don't agree with.

Everybody wants something, but most people don't really strive to get it. So until we can all figure out what we really want let's scream into the wind a bit louder. *puts on the sunglasses,lights a cigarette,raises his fist, and waits for the end of the world*

marlboroFEELINGREALLYDRAMATICTODAYman84
 
There must be boundaries, but there must also be laws.
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Yup. Unless I am in the midst of a crime against another, in the midst of planning a crime against another or have been witnessed commiting a crime against another, I have harmed nobody.

As for warrants, don't get me started.
Rich
 
you need a witness to be guilty now. rich go ahead and close the overcrowded prison thread were letting them nice folks out.
 
You don't want people taking your guns, but you want to be able to smoke weed. You want the cops to come running when you call them, but stay out of your business or do the right thing as you see it. You want the war to be over and the troops to come home, but you second guess them when they do something you don't agree with.
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Yep, pretty much. I'm not sure what you're getting at, though...are some of those things supposed to be mutually exclusive?
 
Looks to me like a friendly cop helping a little kid to the toilet. It's kinda sweet, actually.

Why does everything have to be so inflamatory to you guys?
 
There must be boundaries, but there must also be laws.
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Yes, and there are some very good laws. Unfortunately, these same laws are the oldest laws, back from when people had to use their brains to survive, I suppose.

Murder: illegal.
Rape: illegal.
Robbery: illegal.

The list is long. We have plenty of very good laws against crimes that have actual victims. But we got no place to keep their violators because we would prefer to make new laws that amount to nothing more than placing our noses where they ought not be, and that's jamming the courts and jails.
 
I don't like the picture, reminds me of Elian Gonzales. This doesn't make me pro drugs or anti government.

He's probably not a pedophile either. He's just doing his job and trying to determine if the boy is in possession of rapist tools. I think the determine rapist tool like concealed knives, 3" or longer.:D (That was a joke).

The pic also envokes memory of a certain constitutional phrase, no standing army...
 
"when does freedom become anarchy"

Contrary to popular opinion, anarchy is not neccesarily a bad thing. It CAN be bad if implemented improperly. Tyranny, on the other hand, is always bad and can never be good.
 
Antipitas

There was a time when a warrant could not be served before the sun rose, nor after it had set... Something about castles and thieves in the night.

I believe you are speaking of Exodus 22:2-3
If a thief be found breaking up (Breaking in), and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.(Exodus 22:2-3)
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Basicly it meant that if anyone who was found to be breaking into someones property by whatever means after dark, they did so at their own peril as the owner had every right to kill the intruder regardless of who they where.
 
Yep, pretty much. I'm not sure what you're getting at, though...are some of those things supposed to be mutually exclusive?
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Not necessarily mutually exclusive, but more of a comment on people wanting their cake and eating it too.

Example: Person A is for the abolishment of all gun laws since the right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed", but they are for the war on drugs and think even people in possession of small amounts of marijuana should be charged and thrown in jail.

Person B thinks some gun laws are necessary and is for harsh punishments of criminals caught with guns. They also think the war on drugs is frivilous, a waste of time, and that certain drugs should just be taxed and sold and regulated like alcohol.

They both want the same things, but they have differing views on which thing is the right thing.

Let me explain my views and maybe it'll make more sense. I am for the legalization of drugs. I am against driving under the influence of anything.

I am for certain measures of gun control. I.E background checks for first time buyers. I am against gun violence on innocent victims.

I am for rules and regulations and law, but I am against invasion of privacy and tyranny.

I am for "the hard toe of a government boot" when people have shown they have no regard for the welfare of those they mistreat. I am against no-knock raids in the middle of the night on a quiet suburban home, because someone thinks they saw something "going on".

I am for smoking, but I am against doing it around those who wish not to smoke and those who cannot truly decide for themselves. To answer a previous post.

Hope maybe that clears up what I'm trying to relay a bit better.
 
This is a disturbing thread, with an equally-disturbing photo.

I have been a cop long time. I have done some raids. I've done sniper duty. I never dressed up like an extra on The Empire Strikes Back to do them. They were done in full uniform.; knock, announce and crash the door if necessary. Shoot the dog if necessary. Shoot the perp if necessary.

I once did a raid with a newly-formed tac unit. They had all the black-ninja stuff but hadn't got their patches yet. I was the field Sgt. for another agency with overlapping jurisdiction, and was called to assist. I didn't know the tac unit had no uniform markings until the raid was underway.

Me & one of mine came through the rear in full uniform. Several folks were in the apt. and it was apparent that two were fighting with the ninjacops when we met in the middle. I yelled "HEY! Sheriff's Department! We're here on a search warrant. Now KNOCK OFF the crap." The guys looked at me & my uniformed deputy and surrendered immediately. One of them said "Then who are THESE sonsab***hes?"

Mr. #2 Ninja said "We're the cops from HELL" and laughed.

I said "Cop from Hell here is Dave ______ with the _____ Police Department. Darth Vader over there is Shawn ____ from the same outfit. Dave's feeling a little comical tonight. You're still under arrest for all that dope there on the coffee table, even if he's a bad comedian."

Do you know I caught some crap over that? It didn't stick, but it was tried nonetheless.

In all my years on this job, I never had to watch a little kid take a whiz. There was no reason on earth this guy couldn't have checked the area around the john, and them turned his back while little Freddie did his business. And why in the hell didn't Mr. Ninja tell the photographer to get the hell outta there!? The kid (who obviously isn't John Dillinger) has privacy rights, even if a cop had to stand by while he went potty.... but did it not occur to anybody that if this pic got out, there would be a HUGE lawsuit?

God help us. What are we becoming? When I've got to do that, they can take this six-pointed star and shove it. Sideways.
 
Hope maybe that clears up what I'm trying to relay a bit better.
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Yeah, it did, and I'd say I agree with most of what you said there.

Also, @invssgt: Your story amused me greatly, even though when you think about it it really shouldn't be funny. And I liked what you had to say on the subject as well.
 
Sick, overreaching, self serving projection of intent and emotion from a split second, time-slice view. Other than a low blow "gotcha", it serves only to widen the gulf.

That's the stuff I expect from VPC, not responsible adults.
Rich

Rich - consider the source.

12-34hom.
 
No Crosshair, that is not what I meant at all.

I said warrants. If you care to research it, many, if not most, states had laws like this.
 
Lemme say this before each side starts taking quotes out of context to "prove" their points:

Wonderful clarification, Ian. It adds truth, balance and humanity, and that is as it should be. The "why?" is all that remains.
Rich
 
Well, let's see. You're 6,7,8 yrs. old. Bunch of people wearing masks and guns break down the door to your house. Lots of yelling and Mom and Dad are wrestled to the ground and tied up. (ok, hancuffed your a kid what do you know) If it was me I'd be crying my eyes out and have the "P" scared out of me. So officer friendly tries to calm me down and takes me to the bathroom where he continues to talk to me and explain what is happening and answers my questions. While this is going on someone is taking pictures. I'm sure there were a lot of pictures taken, who knows where the lens was pointed. So, here's a pic of a little boy and a LEO in a bathroom and all the closet perverts assume the LEO is doing just what they would be doing if they were in the head with a little boy
 
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