CZ97 a bad deal getting worse

And you know Xfire68 and triplebike didn't take courses with those pistols how? You know all those rounds were shot in an air conditioned environment how? You don't. You make assumptions that support your preconceived notions.
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They didn't mention it. So until they do, it's not your place to assume they did or didn't either. It's my indirect way of asking lol. :)

You deliberately went back to that thread on Christmas just to take another shot at CZs, only two posts after you already had. That's beyond sharing experience, that starts seeming personal.
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If it bothers you a lot. The forum has "ignore" settings you know. You can always put my posts on "ignore" and you won't see any of them anymore.
 
I'll also say that possibly the first owner didn't have a problem with it.

Some years ago I bought a Kahr K9. Loved it, shot it a pretty good amount, and other than it being one of the ones having a tight barrel, making reloads an issue, it was exceptionally reliable.

A friend of mine admired it, and I let him shoot it on numerous occasions, even let him keep it for a couple of weeks at one point. He also had no issues with it.

I finally decided to sell it because my 9mm cup did runneth over, and he bought it.

Several weeks after he bought it, he started having feeding issued with it, with ammo that it would eat without fail before.

It got to be such a problem that he sent it back to Kahr at least twice trying to get the issue sorted out. Kahr finally exchanged the gun out (they treated him really well on the deal).

By that time he had lost enough faith in Kahr that he sold the new gun without shooting it.

I felt back about it, but I literally never had an issue with it when I owned it, and he didn't have an issue with it during those times that he borrowed it from me, so he had no problems at all with me in my part of the transaction.
 
Mhmmm... That's a beautiful sight. Expensive little buggers aren't they
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They are decent guns. Not what they used to be but still decent guns. The price people pay for them today are way to high for what you get.

No not really expensive if you buy them used and know what you are looking at.
 
They are decent guns. Not what they used to be but still decent guns. The price people pay for them today are way to high for what you get.

No not really expensive if you buy them used and know what you are looking at.
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Not gonna lie, I am a little bothered by how hard they're getting into marketing. Different names, finishes, logos, etc. There's a drop down menu on their website that says "swag" -___-
 
They didn't mention it. So until they do, it's not your place to assume they did or didn't either. It's my indirect way of asking lol.
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Then ask them in the thread instead of saying "100 rounds a year...". Misrepresenting something isn't how you win an argument, and it does nothing for your credibility.
 
Mike Irwin, sometimes even after the manufacturer makes things right, it's still hard to trust a certain firearm again. I know where he's coming from. I've seen people I've sold guns to from the shop / range that I end up seeing again and they tell me such stories.

When I had an issue like that with Glock, they made it right for me and the gun ran 500 rounds decently so I gave it a run again. I'm glad I did.
 
Then ask them in the thread instead of saying "100 rounds a year...". Misrepresenting something isn't how you win an argument, and it does nothing for your credibility.
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Why do you feel it's okay to tell me what I can and can't say? And how I can and can't say it? I'm not going against any forum rules with my posts. Please worry about yourself.
 
Not gonna lie, I am a little bothered by how hard they're getting into marketing. Different names, finishes, logos, etc. There's a drop down menu on their website that says "swag" -___-
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If that was the only issue I would not have a problem, everyone needs to make a living.

My problem is that they allow the buying public to be their beta testers. The P250 went through about 6 revs to get it functional. Remember the ATF put way to high a premium on reliability. -CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED-

The P320 has had multiple tweaks in its short life. The 45 ACP cannot be converted to any other caliber something they only told the buying public after it was released. Can anyone say trigger slap. Many P320 owners can. New ones ship with a different trigger. They also have a new mag release because the original was poorly designed.

The GSR 1911 was a custom spec'ed 1911 until they could not assemble them properly, then it wasn't. Now it runs but is nothing close to what it was when it started.

The P238 was a design they lic from Colt and only took 5-7 revs to get right. They completely botched the 566 rifle promising modularity only to scrap it completely for the MCX.

The MCX which in the 6 months since introduction is already in rev 2. Don't forget about the MPX which is also less than 6 months old and had been altered since introduction in order to be function and have a hope of meeting their marketing hopes.

The 556 Russian is flat out a POS. I feel for anyone who bought it.

Sig is not the model for reliability and consistency since Cohen took over and moved the production to Exert.
 
Sig is not the model for reliability and consistency since Cohen took over and moved the production to Exert.
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The only comment I'll make on this is the fault doesn't lie entirely with the staff at Exeter or on Pease these days. Exeter in the '90s produced some decent pistols (P229s) and assembled many more. Because of hiring practices and policies at SIG USA there is a very high rate of turnover at the factory these days. The name of the game is volume and the factory cranks out parts in the thousands and worries about QC after the fact. The lack of staff retention just makes it worse.
 
The only comment I'll make on this is the fault doesn't lie entirely with the staff at Exeter or on Pease these days. Exeter in the '90s produced some decent pistols (P229s) and assembled many more. Because of hiring practices and policies at SIG USA there is a very high rate of turnover at the factory these days. The name of the game is volume and the factory cranks out parts in the thousands and worries about QC after the fact. The lack of staff retention just makes it worse.
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The growth model that Cohen runs directly impacts QC IMHO. I understand why he and Sig went that way because the German based company running the old way was not making money. They are making money today but in the Kimber way... :D
 
What worries me about the current model is won't it reach a certain point where it all comes crashing down? How much can you flood the market with pistols and rifles before distributors and stores stop buying more product? The Legion series, while I do think is a decent series of upgrades, is another way to market the classic pistols to sell more. SIG has to constantly come up with new appeal for older product to keep it moving. There are only so many rainbow finishes out there.
 
I am still waiting for Constantine to actually name failure he actually witnessesed with a CZ pistol. If he can't I guess we can simply ignore his contribution.
 
The biggest problem is dealing with these former Soviet Block countries that are trying to westernize with a eastern mindset.
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Easy there, tiger.

You ever actually set foot in one of those "former Soviet Block" countries?
Ever had any personal dealings with them?

Well I live in one of them and I can tell you that when I called Ruger with a problem with my MkIII, they were great until they found out I wasn't in the US.
Then suddenly they appeared to lose all interest.

Let's not make sweeping generalisations about entire groups of countries (many of whom have sometimes more, sometimes less in common than the fact they were occupied) based on what one TFL member has said about a 97B....
 
I am still waiting for Constantine to actually name failure he actually witnessesed with a CZ pistol. If he can't I guess we can simply ignore his contribution.
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I'll keep a notepad with me at all times just to make you happy. :D

I've seen some lock forward. Some lock rearward. The locking lug sheared off. A few extractors.

Some people having some problems with doing their "tap, rack, bang" drills because the slide is so small and there isn't much material to grab. Nothing too crazy like a kaboom or anything. Just enough to keep me away.

But then again, I don't have interviews, photos, videos, serial numbers, DL #'s, statements, etc. So *poof*
 
Some people having some problems with doing their "tap, rack, bang" drills because the slide is so small and there isn't much material to grab.
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The first time I ever saw a CZ pistol over ten years ago, that's exactly what I thought can happen. Them and those Jericho/Baby Desert Eagle pistols from IMI.

Never cared about them because of that.
 
The first time I ever saw a CZ pistol over ten years ago, that's exactly what I thought can happen. Them and those Jericho/Baby Desert Eagle pistols from IMI.

Never cared about them because of that.
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You thought of that when I didn't. Until I saw it happened.

It's very humid where I live. Imagine sweaty hands along with a slick slide? It was a sight..
 
The serrations are pretty aggressive (they remind me of the M&P fish scales in relation to traction) but they're smaller no doubt. People claim that having the slide inside is how the bore axis is lower, but I never understood why you couldn't get the same effect with the slide riding outside the frame.
 
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