CZ - A Love Hate Relationship

Bart Noir, responding to my question as to why CZ didn't offer an alloy-framed Compact (with safety).
But they do. Sorta. It's called the RAMI
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Yeah, but CZ calls that a SUB-COMPACT, and I do too.

But even CZ seems to appreciate that many folks would like a smaller, safety-equpped alloy CZ. (CZ had made a few over the years -- one member of the CZ Forum has one.) It may be that they've already begun to offer a new Omega compact that will fill that void... (i.e., the P-01 Omega)

But, there's still a void that could be filled with an alloy-framed FULL-SIZED model -- maybe an Omega (which is switchable.)
 
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True, and the RAMI is actually based off the Colt Z-40/CZ 40B sidearms, not the CZ-75. Still an excellent little pistol - my wife loves hers.
Jaywalker, have you laid a hand on a P-10C or a P-07, just out of curiosity?
 
Jaywalker, have you laid a hand on a P-10C or a P-07, just out of curiosity?
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No, I haven't, and likely won't - they're bigger than a Glock G19. My taste and needs have changed since the PCR - I have a G19 that I don't carry much, so I recently decided not to buy anything bigger than that. For the most part I see myself with pocket pistols in the future.
 
My old CZ75 broke a slide stop. Some of the slide stops had problems. Replaced it with an after market part and no more problems. Super accurate, totally reliable. I like CZ's. My friends have different models. No problems. Send them back to CZ.
 
Well, "no problems", unless of course that slide stop breaks when you're defending your life with the pistol. I guess your widow could return the pistol to CZ for a repair. :(
As mentioned many times, I have had a CZ 85 for many years and it's still one of my favorite pistols-but I've never been comfortable knowing (hearing, actually) that slide stops are an Achilles' heel for some CZ pistols.
 
dgludwig said:
Well, "no problems", unless of course that slide stop breaks when you're defending your life with the pistol. I guess your widow could return the pistol to CZ for a repair. As mentioned many times, I have had a CZ 85 for many years and it's still one of my favorite pistols-but I've never been comfortable knowing (hearing, actually) that slide stops are an Achilles' heel for some CZ pistols.
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You can have the same sort of problem arise if a trigger spring breaks or an extractor cracks. Stuff happens. I had trigger spring break with my first Glock 17. I'm glad it didn't happen during a crisis situation. As it was, it took a while for me to figure what happened -- as I was new to Glocks back then.

The Witness design (a gun made by Tanfoglio based on their own version of the CZ pattern) was widely used in IPSC some years back -- and still is. Some IPSC/USPSA shooters at the time said they found Tanfoglio slide stops breaking at around 15K rounds, and they carried spares in their kit. That said, I've put more than that many rounds through my oldest CZ -- an 85 Combat -- and it's still going strong.

Of all of those stories, I only personally know of ONE case were breakage was a recurring problem. That was an 85B that was eventualy replaced by CZ-USA. (I suspect something was out of spec on that 85B, causing the barrel lug to hit the slide stop at a slight angle, putting all of the slide's forward force into a much narrower area on the stop than intended -- hitting the stop like a spike heel hitting the snow rather than a snowshoe.

Back then, I talked with the head gunsmith (name withheld) at CZ-USA about this issue, and he suggested a heavier recoil spring if someone was concerned. I've since come to believe that this cure might potentially be worse than the illness -- as a heavier recoil spring causes the slide to slam closed with greater force, and nothing but the slide stop (or a round being chambered) slows down that force.
 
If no one mentioned this, make sure the piece of sheet metal in the gun that presses against the back of the inserted magazine is curved and holding the magazine fairly firmly. The pictures you show could be the result of the magazines moving forward and back too much. This could cause the rounds in the magazine to move forward some and interfere with the extraction of spent rounds.
 
bricz75 said:
If no one mentioned this, make sure the piece of sheet metal in the gun that presses against the back of the inserted magazine is curved and holding the magazine fairly firmly.
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It really depends on the model. That flat piece is called the magazine brake -- and for some models it's flat, not curved.

The flat mag brake allows the mag to drop free. The curved brake allows it to drop an inch or two, but not all the way out.

The mag brake doesn't play a big role in positioning the mag in the grip frame -- other areas in the grip frame keep the mag properly positioned.
 
bricz75 said:
didn't know there is an aftermarket slide stop. Who makes it?
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Some years back I got an after-market extended slide stop (really one for a Witness) from another CZ owner. I later sold the gun in which it was installed, but should have kept the slide stop -- as I had a spare-- and I've not seen one since then. I don't know where he got his.

(You have to be wary, as some of the slide stops for different models are interchangeable, and some aren't -- and the .40 versions require different slide stops than the 9mm versions.)

If you find one somewhere, ask a lot of questions.
 
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