CZ - A Love Hate Relationship

I didn't see if you specified the exact ammo you used, but my P07 when nee was pretty stiffly sprung. This meant that powderpuff 115 grain target loads choked it during the first few hundred rounds.

Carry ammo or my heavier reloads ran just fine. After a few hundred it could run 115s again.
 
If you like the P07, don't let the issues you had shooting one 75B that isn't yours (you have no idea how it has been maintained or what inadvisable home gunsmithing has been done on it) worry you. Most of the posts I see about CZ reliability is about how great they are. I have a CZ 75B that I've had for quite some time. I stopped counting my rounds through the gun roughly a decade ago when I hit 10,000 rounds, and I'm probably around 20K now. I have had in that 10-20K rounds fewer hiccups than you had in that one range trip. I had a CZ 40B for a year or so that was perfect with about 500-1000 rounds, and last I talked to the new owner about it (a few years ago), he had put many thousands of rounds through it and neither of us ever had a hiccup with it. I also have a P01 I recently bought (September), I don't have many rounds through it yet but no problems at this point.

So, if you like the P07, go ahead and get one. I doubt you'll be sorry.

As for hitting to the left, if you buy one and that continues, you can always adjust the sight to compensate.
 
In the state of Mass CZs are very hard to come by due to stupid gun laws here, so you pay a premium for one. Like the OP I very much wanted a 75B and after months of hunting I found one at a less then rape price. I really wanted to like it a lot. Unfortunately it wasn't the case. I got one that has a bad trigger slap to it. I know I can get it fixed, but I haven't yet and my experience with it has turned me off of CZs. I keep it now as an investment as they are worth much more now in this state then what I paid for it. Though I have contemplated trading it for a Browning Hi Power (Another verbatim firearm in this state)
 
My first CZ was a P09, great gun. Extremely accurate, actually boringly so, and 100% reliable. Like a dumbbell I traded it off. Then after a couple years I picked up a P07, for me it's the perfect pistol. It practically shoots itself. Then a couple months ago I picked up a 75B SA, what a fun gun. Also very very accurate and so far 100% reliable. So for me, CZ guns are winners.
 
I was over 60 before I got serious with an auto pistol. I wanted to learn the platform & chose the CZ75. After all you can do SA, DA, or cocked & locked. The first couple hundred I couldn't hit anything. This was completely my fault. Many rounds later I love the gun, hit what I aim & so far the pistol has been 100% reliable.

This is a PreB GI bring back. (no import marks)


Going quick at 10 yards
 
I've had/have several CZ's and most had...let us say, teething problems. 75bd, two 527's, 97b, Kadet kit, P01.

FTE with the 75bd until I applied a taper crimp, 97 needed hotter ammo, 527 had light primer strikes until I backed off the resizing.

The Kadet kit's firing pin retainer plate shot off into space at one point, but damn reliable and eats literally everything.

P01, zero issues. None.

Bottom line I enjoy them all!
 
claydoctor said:
I lost interest in them when I sampled a few at my LGS and found the triggers to be less than impressive .
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That's been an ongoing criticism of the CZ-75B line of guns for the last10 years or so. And while the trigger will break in and greatly improve after about 300+ rounds (or dry fires, etc.) it is puzzling. The Tanfoglio-made Witness, which is a very similar design, typically has a much-better trigger out of the box.

That said, either gun (Witness or CZ) can have a great trigger with just a little action or trigger work, and for the CZs, some drop-in parts from the CZ Custom Shop or Cajun Gun Works will give you good results for less $$ outlay than having a gunsmith work on it.
 
Looks like that is a 2015 Model CZ 75B.

I have a few rounds through my CZ's. Any failures I have logged can be directly attributed to the ammunition. Most problems where with HSM that were reloads with mixed brass. I have also had three failures to eject with WWB. PMC - 257 rounds no failures. UMC - 522 rounds no failures. Magtech - 81 rounds no failures.

Clean it good, take a stiff tooth brush and clean around the extractor really good. Lube it up and run it a bit wet, but not too wet (I did once and the first round splattered me with oil). If you are shoot WWB give it the firmest grip you can make, keep arms and wrists stiff as possible.

I have tried to limp wrist my CZ's and have held them so loosely that it was close to dropping them, and never induced a failure (but I didn't try that experiment with WWB, I think it was PMC).
 
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Looks like that is a 2015 Model CZ 75B.
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If the gun in post #22* is the one referenced, it is, as stated, an older pre-B 75. There were bunches of these guns sold through BASE or POST Exchanges in West Germany during the Cold War era. (One firm in Germany, Frankonia, did a great job of slightly customizing the CZs they sold, improving looks and function; when you can find one of those "bring-backs" you've found a real gem.) *(It's really #27!)

Other signs, in addition to the rounded trigger guard, that it's a pre-B: the absence of the hole in the rear of the slide for the firing pin retention role pin is a big one. IF it weren't for that, it COULD have been one of the small run of Retro models that looked like a pre-B but was a B. The standard pre-B and the Retro B both had the spur hammer. (I never had the money for one of the Retro models when they were available, and I'd still like one. That period's pre-B models typically has a slightly different-looking slide release than current models. While different, that lever is compatible with either the pre-B or B model (and vice-versa). The grips in the photo look newer, but may be factory. Mags can be a problem, as many newer model CZ mags won't fit, unless you modify the grip frame a little. (Not a big mod, and not hard -- but it makes finding mags for some pre-Bs difficult. The CZ website store has new, compatible mags, but they're pricey. Older factory 10 and 15 round mags always worked for me)

The small hole in the safety lever says that the lever contains a coiled spring (which is almost impossible to replace if lost.) You can't use a newer safety lever, as that requires an internal detent system (as found on the B models) that can't be retrofitted. If the owner ever needs to remove the safety lever, he should be sure to use a pin or nail (in that hole) to hold the coiled spring in place before removing the lever. Otherwise it can go "walk-about." If the safety gets messed up, the gun may be out of service for a long time, as the owner hunts for parts. I don't do pre-Bs any more because a very small number of obscure parts for some of the oldest models are now apparently made of "unobtainium." That said, many of the later pre-Bs are very similar to current B-models, except for the firing pen retention system, and the firing pin safety. Pre-Bs are still great guns, but there is a small risk-factor associated with ownership. And while the pre-Bs I've owned all had superior triggers, the B models can get there, too -- it just takes a bit more money (gunsmithing), work (if you do it yourself) or wear (or drop-in parts) to get there.
 
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Walt Sherrill said:
If the gun in post #22 is the one referenced, it is, as stated, an older pre-B 75. There were bunches of these guns sold through BASE or POST Exchanges in West Germany during the Cold War era. (One firm in Germany, Frankonia, did a great job of slightly customizing the CZs they sold, improving looks and function; when you can find one of those "bring-backs" you've found a real gem.)

Other signs, in addition to the rounded trigger guard, that it's a pre-B: the absence of the hole in the rear of the slide for the firing pin retention role pin is a big one. IF it weren't for that, it COULD have been one of the small run of Retro models that looked like a pre-B but was a B. The standard pre-B and the Retro B both had the spur hammer. (I never had the money for one of the Retro models when they were available, and I'd still like one. That period's pre-B models typically has a slightly different-looking slide release than current models. While different, that lever is compatible with either the pre-B or B model (and vice-versa). The grips in the photo look newer, but may be factory. Mags can be a problem, as many newer model CZ mags won't fit, unless you modify the grip frame a little. (Not a big mod, and not hard -- but it makes finding mags for some pre-Bs difficult. The CZ website store has new, compatible mags, but they're pricey. Older factory 10 and 15 round mags always worked for me)

The small hole in the safety lever says that the lever contains a coiled spring (which is almost impossible to replace if lost.) You can't use a newer safety lever, as that requires an internal detent system (as found on the B models) that can't be retrofitted. If the owner ever needs to remove the safety lever, he should be sure to use a pin or nail (in that hole) to hold the coiled spring in place before removing the lever. Otherwise it can go "walk-about." If the safety gets messed up, the gun may be out of service for a long time, as the owner hunts for parts. I don't do pre-Bs any more because a very small number of obscure parts for some of the oldest models are now apparently made of "unobtainium." That said, many of the later pre-Bs are very similar to current B-models, except for the firing pen retention system, and the firing pin safety. Pre-Bs are still great guns, but there is a small risk-factor associated with ownership. And while the pre-Bs I've owned all had superior triggers, the B models can get there, too -- it just takes a bit more money (gunsmithing), work (if you do it yourself) or wear (or drop-in parts) to get there.
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Post #1 shows a picture of the gun. The date is not by the extractor, but before the serial number, and it looks like 15 to me, but I could be wrong.
 
Sorry. Miscommunication in two different ways, and it was probably my fault. I was referring to the gun pictured in response #27 (not #22), and you seemed to be talking about the earlier photos. The one seen in #27, posted by LAH, is a pre-B, and that's the one I was writing about. I mistakenly(?) thought your comments were about THAT gun, since they showed up AFTER that photo was posted.

I didn't look at the earlier photos that closely. The gun in the first photos is certainly a B model... and the gun in #27 wasn't THAT gun. My apologies for causing any confusion or consternation.
 
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If had a good bit of experience with CZ patterned firearms and clones, as in owning them and putting 10k+ rounds through a BDE. Also put a good number of rounds through a CZ75. The DA trigger is stiffer than some DA/SA pistols, the SA trigger feels great despite having some creep in it. Otherwise, functioning is nearly flawless.

A P07 is on my short list to get now.
 
If you like theh Beretta 92, you should give a PX4 a try. The 92 is a solid, accurate pistol, but is a bit large (especially in grip circumference). But the PX4 comes with three different backstraps and just fits the hand better. Mine is just as accurate as my 92A1 was. Plus the PX4 uses a rotating barrel lockup, which is supposed to soften recoil. I just love mine. Ended up getting rid of the 92A1 because it was just such a big, bulky 9mm pistol. Haven't regretted it for a minute.
 
Walt Sherrill said:
Sorry. Miscommunication in two different ways, and it was probably my fault. I was referring to the gun pictured in response #27 (not #22), and you seemed to be talking about the earlier photos. The one seen in #27, posted by LAH, is a pre-B, and that's the one I was writing about. I mistakenly(?) thought your comments were about THAT gun, since they showed up AFTER that photo was posted.

I didn't look at the earlier photos that closely. The gun in the first photos is certainly a B model... and the gun in #27 wasn't THAT gun. My apologies for causing any confusion or consternation.
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No problems. All is good.
 
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