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claydoctor said:I lost interest in them when I sampled a few at my LGS and found the triggers to be less than impressive .
sirgilligan said:Looks like that is a 2015 Model CZ 75B.
Post #1 shows a picture of the gun. The date is not by the extractor, but before the serial number, and it looks like 15 to me, but I could be wrong.If the gun in post #22 is the one referenced, it is, as stated, an older pre-B 75. There were bunches of these guns sold through BASE or POST Exchanges in West Germany during the Cold War era. (One firm in Germany, Frankonia, did a great job of slightly customizing the CZs they sold, improving looks and function; when you can find one of those "bring-backs" you've found a real gem.)
Other signs, in addition to the rounded trigger guard, that it's a pre-B: the absence of the hole in the rear of the slide for the firing pin retention role pin is a big one. IF it weren't for that, it COULD have been one of the small run of Retro models that looked like a pre-B but was a B. The standard pre-B and the Retro B both had the spur hammer. (I never had the money for one of the Retro models when they were available, and I'd still like one. That period's pre-B models typically has a slightly different-looking slide release than current models. While different, that lever is compatible with either the pre-B or B model (and vice-versa). The grips in the photo look newer, but may be factory. Mags can be a problem, as many newer model CZ mags won't fit, unless you modify the grip frame a little. (Not a big mod, and not hard -- but it makes finding mags for some pre-Bs difficult. The CZ website store has new, compatible mags, but they're pricey. Older factory 10 and 15 round mags always worked for me)
The small hole in the safety lever says that the lever contains a coiled spring (which is almost impossible to replace if lost.) You can't use a newer safety lever, as that requires an internal detent system (as found on the B models) that can't be retrofitted. If the owner ever needs to remove the safety lever, he should be sure to use a pin or nail (in that hole) to hold the coiled spring in place before removing the lever. Otherwise it can go "walk-about." If the safety gets messed up, the gun may be out of service for a long time, as the owner hunts for parts. I don't do pre-Bs any more because a very small number of obscure parts for some of the oldest models are now apparently made of "unobtainium." That said, many of the later pre-Bs are very similar to current B-models, except for the firing pen retention system, and the firing pin safety. Pre-Bs are still great guns, but there is a small risk-factor associated with ownership. And while the pre-Bs I've owned all had superior triggers, the B models can get there, too -- it just takes a bit more money (gunsmithing), work (if you do it yourself) or wear (or drop-in parts) to get there.
My apologies for causing any confusion or consternation.
No problems. All is good.Sorry. Miscommunication in two different ways, and it was probably my fault. I was referring to the gun pictured in response #27 (not #22), and you seemed to be talking about the earlier photos. The one seen in #27, posted by LAH, is a pre-B, and that's the one I was writing about. I mistakenly(?) thought your comments were about THAT gun, since they showed up AFTER that photo was posted.
I didn't look at the earlier photos that closely. The gun in the first photos is certainly a B model... and the gun in #27 wasn't THAT gun. My apologies for causing any confusion or consternation.