Hey, King, thanks for your kind words. I expressed the "disclaimer" because it's been my experience that too many people in law enforcement seem to assume that their police/corrections/prosecutorial backgrounds automatically gives them a leg-up when it comes to these kinds of discussions. It ain't necessarily so!
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you bet.
I appreciate the disclaimer.
I have no LE experience.
There are currently 4 working LEOs in my family.
3 nephews each in their late 20s/ early 30s are currently serving...
one as a drug task force officer with K9 unit
one as a drug task force supervisor
one as an assistant detective
There is also my niece's husband who is currently working with
a swat team in a larger city.
Really respect the effort and time these guys give.
two of them have come within a whisper of death more than once.
I appreciate the disclaimer.
I have no LE experience.
There are currently 4 working LEOs in my family.
3 nephews each in their late 20s/ early 30s are currently serving...
one as a drug task force officer with K9 unit
one as a drug task force supervisor
one as an assistant detective
There is also my niece's husband who is currently working with
a swat team in a larger city.
Really respect the effort and time these guys give.
two of them have come within a whisper of death more than once.
I don't know. Making the use of alcohol illegal didn't work possibly because drinking enjoyed such a long-standing, cultural legitimacy in our society. But I hope you're not suggesting that the legalization of drugs would be a solution to ridding our country of its enslavement to addictive substances.
I think some people realize they want to be able to defend themselves, so they go "all out" seeking the "best." One major problem is most people don't have the experience to define what would be the "best," so they rely on what others tell them. For a beat cop in a dangerous area, carrying a hi-cap pistol with 2-3 extra mags plus a BUG would be sensible. Some may look at that and think that would be appropriate for them. Most of these people (I'd wager) don't face the same threat level. Yet, they don't have the experience to measure effectiveness and marginal utility. A few of them are willing to spend an enormous amount to get the latest and greatest, even if the margainal gain in potential effectiveness is small.
Why would someone buy an AR-15 with a 4X scope, a red-dot, and off-set irons? If they are a top level competitor, it might be worth it. To me, that would be a waste of several hundred dollars!
As for people who think their gun is some sort of talisman, I think they might fit into the "no practical experience" category as well. Let's face it, most people have never seen the effects of terminal ballisics. Too many actually buy into the Hollywood stereotypes. They don't quite realize Newton proved the idea of "knockdown power" wrong a long time ago. (Thankfully, we have Mythbusters!
) These people have to rely on Hollywood or those who have experience. Those with experience in actual shootings often have VERY different expectations, needs, attitudes, and (most importantly) threat assessments.
Why would someone buy an AR-15 with a 4X scope, a red-dot, and off-set irons? If they are a top level competitor, it might be worth it. To me, that would be a waste of several hundred dollars!
As for people who think their gun is some sort of talisman, I think they might fit into the "no practical experience" category as well. Let's face it, most people have never seen the effects of terminal ballisics. Too many actually buy into the Hollywood stereotypes. They don't quite realize Newton proved the idea of "knockdown power" wrong a long time ago. (Thankfully, we have Mythbusters!
) These people have to rely on Hollywood or those who have experience. Those with experience in actual shootings often have VERY different expectations, needs, attitudes, and (most importantly) threat assessments.christcorp
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ludwig; YES, thanks to the recent responses. NO; I am not soliciting responses that only I agree with. I was soliciting responses to the thread. To the questions asked. Not from people who wanted to respond with the: "Why do I carry a gun" premise. I never asked why a person carried a gun. And it was frustrating trying to politely find a way to tell some people: "You're not responding to the subject of the thread, so I'm not interested". So yes, I thank those who answered and responded to the intent of the thread. Sorry if you feel that some of your responses aren't appreciated. I specifically asked about the mindset of certain people. WHY you carry a gun has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked.
Now; if you're the person who walks around with a 19 round pistol; 2-3 extra magazines; wear your gun 24/7; talk about blowing people away; anticipating getting into a "Gun Fight" with a gang; and similar actions, then you are probably part of the people I'm talking about. "I don't think you are". Or if your only retort to why you carry a gun is "Because I can", which again I don't think you are, then that's definitely on topic. But if you were, then that can definitely be discussed. In other words, since you started owning/carrying guns, have you become an extremist?
Now; if you're the person who walks around with a 19 round pistol; 2-3 extra magazines; wear your gun 24/7; talk about blowing people away; anticipating getting into a "Gun Fight" with a gang; and similar actions, then you are probably part of the people I'm talking about. "I don't think you are". Or if your only retort to why you carry a gun is "Because I can", which again I don't think you are, then that's definitely on topic. But if you were, then that can definitely be discussed. In other words, since you started owning/carrying guns, have you become an extremist?
lots of good responses. i will admit that i skipped pages 2 and 3, but figured that it was more of the same.
i am 30. when i was growing up, the use of guns by gangs or local thugs was not that prevalent. for the most part, if you had a disagreement with someone, and it got violent...that meant a fist fight. as a young kid (around age 10), most fights were glorified wrestling matches. i was one of the first kids in my neighborhood to "punch in the face"...and for that, i was feared
well, that only lasted about a summer, and then the other kids caught up. fast forward about 8 or 9 years, and those same kids that were shocked to get punched in the face are now the ones shocking people by pulling guns.
something changed a little while before i got married. i began to realize that simply being good with my hands might not stop certain threats. i read more. i watched more news shows on tv. these things made me very aware of the world that i lived in...not a guarded safe cocoon, but a world full of predators. my hope is that i never have to come across any of these predators. but if i do, i have to be willing to "punch in the face". i have to meet them with equal or greater force if i plan on protecting my wife, my kids (one day), my home, my friends/family, or myself.
when i was 10...when i was 18...even when i was 23 (and started carrying regularly), i wasn't sure that i would ever be able to do that. THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT FOR ME NOW. that's "what changed" for me...a simple awakening to the unfortunate reality of today's society.
i am 30. when i was growing up, the use of guns by gangs or local thugs was not that prevalent. for the most part, if you had a disagreement with someone, and it got violent...that meant a fist fight. as a young kid (around age 10), most fights were glorified wrestling matches. i was one of the first kids in my neighborhood to "punch in the face"...and for that, i was feared
well, that only lasted about a summer, and then the other kids caught up. fast forward about 8 or 9 years, and those same kids that were shocked to get punched in the face are now the ones shocking people by pulling guns.something changed a little while before i got married. i began to realize that simply being good with my hands might not stop certain threats. i read more. i watched more news shows on tv. these things made me very aware of the world that i lived in...not a guarded safe cocoon, but a world full of predators. my hope is that i never have to come across any of these predators. but if i do, i have to be willing to "punch in the face". i have to meet them with equal or greater force if i plan on protecting my wife, my kids (one day), my home, my friends/family, or myself.
when i was 10...when i was 18...even when i was 23 (and started carrying regularly), i wasn't sure that i would ever be able to do that. THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT FOR ME NOW. that's "what changed" for me...a simple awakening to the unfortunate reality of today's society.
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DGL:
I like that. Very well said.
CCorp: About responding to "the intent of the thread". As has been noted a number of times in different ways by men who appear to be quite literate, the intent of the thread is not nearly as clear as you think it is.
I thought that your posts in the thread concerning the need for hi-cap mags for SD were quite clear. Especially the donut bet.
But here......I'm still wondering what you are after.
Pete
DGL:
I like that. Very well said.
CCorp: About responding to "the intent of the thread". As has been noted a number of times in different ways by men who appear to be quite literate, the intent of the thread is not nearly as clear as you think it is.
I thought that your posts in the thread concerning the need for hi-cap mags for SD were quite clear. Especially the donut bet.
But here......I'm still wondering what you are after.
Pete
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I've already explained what I was looking for. And the majority of posters on the last page got it. Sorry if you don't understand. But I'm not going through it again. Sorry.
I wasn't suggesting that drugs be legalized, though it might be a good idea if a little more thought be given to what the appropriate punishment might be. I doubt that the punishment always fits the crime, especially when compared with other crimes. And anyway, alcohol is illegal in a few places, including some where it is produced. At any rate, the trend over the last 80 years or so has to make more things forbidden, that is, illegal. Not saying that good or bad, just thought I'd mention it.
My gun size for carry has gone UP, not down, directly contradicting the first post.
I started with a 22Magnum minirevolver in California where carry is illegal. Went up to a 38 snubbie, but then stopped packing illegally in Cali when I became much more vocal in CCW reform. Still carried knives, got some training in how to use 'em.
Went to Seattle WA in 2005, scored CCW permit immediately, packed the .38. A year later in Tucson AZ, still packing the 38. I had and enjoyed shooting my New Vaquero in 357 (4.68" barrel), finally figured out how to modify a fanny pack to hold that 42oz beast. Switched to it for daily carry. The sights didn't quite feel right...no sights did, really, until I saw what Tim Sheehan was doing and started the "Hacksite" adventure, and now this huge critter REALLY feels right like no gun I've ever shot has. Since it's so damn big and copes with recoil so well, I load the nastiest thermonuclear stuff in it I can find
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At 6'4" I don't notice the weight any. In any sort of "jacket weather" I carry OWB in a rig of my own design. Summers it'll be back to fanny pack.
Anyways. I carry a piece that big because I simply enjoy shooting it, it's by far the most practically accurate and first-shot-fast gun I've ever handled, I like it. Probably one of the weirder choices in daily carry hardware but what the hell.
I started with a 22Magnum minirevolver in California where carry is illegal. Went up to a 38 snubbie, but then stopped packing illegally in Cali when I became much more vocal in CCW reform. Still carried knives, got some training in how to use 'em.
Went to Seattle WA in 2005, scored CCW permit immediately, packed the .38. A year later in Tucson AZ, still packing the 38. I had and enjoyed shooting my New Vaquero in 357 (4.68" barrel), finally figured out how to modify a fanny pack to hold that 42oz beast. Switched to it for daily carry. The sights didn't quite feel right...no sights did, really, until I saw what Tim Sheehan was doing and started the "Hacksite" adventure, and now this huge critter REALLY feels right like no gun I've ever shot has. Since it's so damn big and copes with recoil so well, I load the nastiest thermonuclear stuff in it I can find
.At 6'4" I don't notice the weight any. In any sort of "jacket weather" I carry OWB in a rig of my own design. Summers it'll be back to fanny pack.
Anyways. I carry a piece that big because I simply enjoy shooting it, it's by far the most practically accurate and first-shot-fast gun I've ever handled, I like it. Probably one of the weirder choices in daily carry hardware but what the hell
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Well, no, I don't think I'm an extremist-unless being more "extreme" than you think you are makes me an extremist. In which case, in your eyes at least, maybe I am an extremist. In which case, I'll fall back on the late Senator Barry Goldwater's take on the word" "...Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice..." To which I would add this correlation: Extremism in the defense of your own life or that of an innocent other is nothing to apologize for.
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I stick with my response about the seductive nature of power as to the cause of many of the attitudes that you described in your first post and how they develop in "some" people when they acquire firearms for the first time.
Except for the very first question that you asked, all of the others are based, at least to a degree, on speculation about the motives of others. The questions about throwing out "other ways", about believing that the threat has increased, about the average gun owner and what he believes, about your personal belief that "a lot" of gun owners throw out common sense, all of those smack of a very personal bias and are based on what? Internet chat. Personally, I try to avoid speculating about why other folk do what they do; it's a no win game. I got the distinct impression that other respondees felt the same way and so they opted to tell you what they did and what they thought, not what and why others were doing and thinking. That was right on but you rejected that.
There hasn't been a post in this entire thread that did not in some way address your original ideas.
Pete
Are you? Are you really sorry? You are being disingenuous.
I stick with my response about the seductive nature of power as to the cause of many of the attitudes that you described in your first post and how they develop in "some" people when they acquire firearms for the first time.
Except for the very first question that you asked, all of the others are based, at least to a degree, on speculation about the motives of others. The questions about throwing out "other ways", about believing that the threat has increased, about the average gun owner and what he believes, about your personal belief that "a lot" of gun owners throw out common sense, all of those smack of a very personal bias and are based on what? Internet chat. Personally, I try to avoid speculating about why other folk do what they do; it's a no win game. I got the distinct impression that other respondees felt the same way and so they opted to tell you what they did and what they thought, not what and why others were doing and thinking. That was right on but you rejected that.
There hasn't been a post in this entire thread that did not in some way address your original ideas.
Pete
I guess you first have to define what is an "extremist"
Does simply carrying a gun with a 15 round magazine and/or carrying pretty much all the time qualify one as an extremist? If so, I guess I might be one then. My perception would be more along the lines of someone who carries 3 guns with spare magazines, 3 knives, pepper spray, and baton to mow the grass.
I think attitude has something to do with it, and perhaps the OP is alluding to that as well.
In my personal case, I never carried a gun before because I never lived anywhere it was legal. Now it is. I have not changed any personal habits, I avoid trouble spots, and try to maintain situational awareness just the same as always.
Do I need a gun with more than 6 rounds? Probably not. I do carry a Glock with a high-cap magazine. Do I have a huge fear that if I don't have a high-cap pistol I will be mowed down by a large gang of criminals? No, I just figure that if I am carrying a gun anyway, the weight of a few extra rounds is really no big deal, plus I just like the platform anyway.
Do I carry almost all the time when not at work (where it is not legal) because I am in constant fear and expect assassins to jump out from every bush? No, I simply strap it on and leave it there until I go to bed. It's there if I need it, just like a pocket knife or wallet. There is no constant thought that "Ooh, I have a gun on", it is just there.
I personally have only known one person I would consider a "mall ninja", you know, the guy who carries all the gear but can't really use any of it. I've known a couple guys who are really hard core and live, breath, and sleep self-defense tactics/training/gear. I think most folks fit somewhere in the middle.
Another aspect that may enter into it is that some folks are just "gear guys". They are into guns in the same way that others are totally into cars, motorcycles, power tools, knives, or whatever. It's not necessarily that they want to be Rambo, they just get obsessed with biggest, shiniest, newest pieces of gear. Those types of personalities do tend to go overboard.
Like an earlier poster referred to, you need to live a balanced life, some people have trouble doing that.
Does simply carrying a gun with a 15 round magazine and/or carrying pretty much all the time qualify one as an extremist? If so, I guess I might be one then. My perception would be more along the lines of someone who carries 3 guns with spare magazines, 3 knives, pepper spray, and baton to mow the grass.
I think attitude has something to do with it, and perhaps the OP is alluding to that as well.
In my personal case, I never carried a gun before because I never lived anywhere it was legal. Now it is. I have not changed any personal habits, I avoid trouble spots, and try to maintain situational awareness just the same as always.
Do I need a gun with more than 6 rounds? Probably not. I do carry a Glock with a high-cap magazine. Do I have a huge fear that if I don't have a high-cap pistol I will be mowed down by a large gang of criminals? No, I just figure that if I am carrying a gun anyway, the weight of a few extra rounds is really no big deal, plus I just like the platform anyway.
Do I carry almost all the time when not at work (where it is not legal) because I am in constant fear and expect assassins to jump out from every bush? No, I simply strap it on and leave it there until I go to bed. It's there if I need it, just like a pocket knife or wallet. There is no constant thought that "Ooh, I have a gun on", it is just there.
I personally have only known one person I would consider a "mall ninja", you know, the guy who carries all the gear but can't really use any of it. I've known a couple guys who are really hard core and live, breath, and sleep self-defense tactics/training/gear. I think most folks fit somewhere in the middle.
Another aspect that may enter into it is that some folks are just "gear guys". They are into guns in the same way that others are totally into cars, motorcycles, power tools, knives, or whatever. It's not necessarily that they want to be Rambo, they just get obsessed with biggest, shiniest, newest pieces of gear. Those types of personalities do tend to go overboard.
Like an earlier poster referred to, you need to live a balanced life, some people have trouble doing that.
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Very astute. I think that is definitely part of the problem. I think some people give too much importance to their gun and relieve themselves of much of the responsibility. But as such, they tend to alter their entire lives. I have an acquaintance that I've known for about 12 years. He got into handguns about 5 years ago. Here in wyoming, open carry is totally legal, but it's mainly done in the smaller ranch towns because it's more practical. "Guns out here aren't just for self defense". So in cities like Cheyenne, open carry isn't as common. Totally legal, but unless you're coming from shooting, coming to town from the ranch to pick up lumber, or some other unique times, open carry isn't that common. However, this acquaintance has gotten into the whole "It's my Right" attitude, that's it's really affecting his married life. His wife doesn't mind too much if he's always carrying openly, but she has some friends that aren't quite as accepting. So, after he and his wife would go to some of these people's homes for a party, Bar-b-que, etc... one of the hosts "politely" asked him if he wouldn't open carry in her house any longer. She even mentioned that if he had a CCW and had the gun concealed, she wouldn't care. But because of the "Mixed" views of some of her friends, she preferred to keep this subject neutral. Well, of course he jumped into the whole 2nd amendment this and our forefathers that routine. Now he basically won't go to anyone's house. So that of course has put a strain on his wife who has a social and work life with many of these people.
Obviously this person lost their balance in life. He obviously doesn't care about anyone but himself. His mindset has totally changed. I really do believe that he thinks movies like Red-Dawn and Die-hard are real and that he has to be prepared. I carry concealed. I carry open when I'm working outside, hunting, etc... But there are times when I do not carry at all. Sometimes I leave the gun in the car where it's double locked. Sometimes I leave the gun home. Do I have to have a gun to protect myself. No, I don't. I'm fortunate in that regard. But it can definitely make things a lot easier if I do have it "AS A TOOL". But there are some people that think if they don't have their gun and their extra 30 rounds on them, that they probably shouldn't even go outside their front door. I truly believe that if you don't feel that you can go ANY PLACE outside of your house, without a gun, then you really need to find a new place to live. Because you're obviously living in a very unsafe place. Come move to wyoming. It's one of the safest places in the country. Everyone loves and has guns. However; if they see you open carrying when you're obviously not in farm clothes, hunting clothes, or other attire that seems appropriate; then people will simply giggle at the "Drug Store Cowboy".
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I was anti gun, I am anti gun! I DO beleive in the constitution - all of it. It is my right to have my opinion. I will not drink the NRA koolaid, no desire for it. The OP raised a question I have pondered many times, reading this fine forum.
I was in my 50s when I purchased my first handgun. I had never (ever) handled a gun before (did I say ever?) I purchased my first gun about a year ago. Then a second (smaller .22 to expose my family to gun ownership.) The way society is going, I want my family to know what owning and using a gun is all about - no big deal.
Then I started lurking this site (on and off, this is my first post!) Because I wanted to learn the ways of the gun. The object I feared many years ago, I now find to be a friend. I do enjoy the range and find the people there to be friendly and not a threat as I once thought - for the most part. Thanks to you all, the info I find in this forum helps me tell the difference.
I have a 9mm that I call self defense. I will be getting the CCW soon-I hope. then a shot-gun for home defense. Wife is a little reactive to it, but she gets over it after the 6 pm news. She'll get there.
Again I am not NRA, I'll never be. But deepest apreciation. I respect your right to be NRA, please respect mine.
Being in my 50s, I understand the Glock koolaid. It is flashy and cool. It is furthered by the internet revolution and marketing. Maybe the youngones are drinking that koolaid, cool. I am old for that and with age, other priorities come to play.
I have a hand gun, soon a CCW, then after that a shotgun. Please don't tell my friends, they might disapprove. Then again, they may be keeping it low like me.
I hope I never, ever have to use these tools. But if the time comes, I want to be ready. And if in the future my children get into a critical situation, they will have the right tools and skills at their disposition to handle it. Again I hope that never happens.
This is a very interesting post. I also liked the one about the lady asking many questions before buying her first firearm. I liked her questions.,
I was in my 50s when I purchased my first handgun. I had never (ever) handled a gun before (did I say ever?) I purchased my first gun about a year ago. Then a second (smaller .22 to expose my family to gun ownership.) The way society is going, I want my family to know what owning and using a gun is all about - no big deal.
Then I started lurking this site (on and off, this is my first post!) Because I wanted to learn the ways of the gun. The object I feared many years ago, I now find to be a friend. I do enjoy the range and find the people there to be friendly and not a threat as I once thought - for the most part. Thanks to you all, the info I find in this forum helps me tell the difference.
I have a 9mm that I call self defense. I will be getting the CCW soon-I hope. then a shot-gun for home defense. Wife is a little reactive to it, but she gets over it after the 6 pm news. She'll get there.
Again I am not NRA, I'll never be. But deepest apreciation. I respect your right to be NRA, please respect mine.
Being in my 50s, I understand the Glock koolaid. It is flashy and cool. It is furthered by the internet revolution and marketing. Maybe the youngones are drinking that koolaid, cool. I am old for that and with age, other priorities come to play.
I have a hand gun, soon a CCW, then after that a shotgun. Please don't tell my friends, they might disapprove. Then again, they may be keeping it low like me.
I hope I never, ever have to use these tools. But if the time comes, I want to be ready. And if in the future my children get into a critical situation, they will have the right tools and skills at their disposition to handle it. Again I hope that never happens.
This is a very interesting post. I also liked the one about the lady asking many questions before buying her first firearm. I liked her questions.,
I was just thinking about this the other day. When I first bought a pistol I was really concerned about it being within easy reach ALL of the time. Then I bought a 12 gauge and put it in my "retreat room". Before that I had never armed myself or felt the need. Yes I have been robbed once by a tweaker with a knife and yes I did have an "exciting" childhood but I just never really felt the need. So anyways, now I don't give a crap anymore. I have a big dumb dog and I live in Alaska now where every one carries and has guns in their house. If the bad guy picks me I might be an easier target than you but first he has to pick me and then again a dog and a pistol in the house, even if not at the ready isn't easy after all.
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You have been talking, more recently in this thread, about extremism. And advocating people moving to your neck of the woods for a "friendly gun loving climate", but at the same time appear quick to support the idea that there is an appropriate manner in which to: dress and speak concerning firearms.
I must admit confusion on my part.
It appears to me that you are creating an "Us/Them" mentality. If I am unfortunate enough to have chosen the incorrect "duds" for my trip into town, and/or use a word or phrase like "weak side", I am laughed at by the local community?
This indeed does reek of extremist behavior. I would ask, on whose part?
You seem to be saying that the world is not the "dangerously-horrible-must-be-prepared-for-BGs-behind-every-bush-and-shrub", yet in my opinion are rather inflexible in your argument concerning other's opinions and voices when they do not run parallel with your own. (We all should know that statistically/realistically speaking the odds are: that the McDonalds diet, drinking, lack of exercise, stress, smoking, etc ad nauseum is far more likely to shorten our lives than the lack of carrying a firearm.)
Their experiences and perceptions are as valid as either yours or mine. You may not agree with theirs, you may not agree with how this has come into being. And you have every right to your own feelings and beliefs. So do they.
You have been talking, more recently in this thread, about extremism. And advocating people moving to your neck of the woods for a "friendly gun loving climate", but at the same time appear quick to support the idea that there is an appropriate manner in which to: dress and speak concerning firearms.
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I must admit confusion on my part.
It appears to me that you are creating an "Us/Them" mentality. If I am unfortunate enough to have chosen the incorrect "duds" for my trip into town, and/or use a word or phrase like "weak side", I am laughed at by the local community?
This indeed does reek of extremist behavior. I would ask, on whose part?
You seem to be saying that the world is not the "dangerously-horrible-must-be-prepared-for-BGs-behind-every-bush-and-shrub", yet in my opinion are rather inflexible in your argument concerning other's opinions and voices when they do not run parallel with your own. (We all should know that statistically/realistically speaking the odds are: that the McDonalds diet, drinking, lack of exercise, stress, smoking, etc ad nauseum is far more likely to shorten our lives than the lack of carrying a firearm.)
Their experiences and perceptions are as valid as either yours or mine. You may not agree with theirs, you may not agree with how this has come into being. And you have every right to your own feelings and beliefs. So do they.
christcorp
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Azak; actually I do believe there is an appropriate manner when it comes to firearms. Just like there's an appropriate manner and place as to when and how you wear a bathing suit. Wear a bathing suit at the city pool or lake, and no one thinks twice about. Wear a bathing suit while walking down town and people's opinions change. Sorry if I found a place to live that is made up primarily of people with common sense and perspective. The worst thing is watching some people who move here from urban metro areas in california, new york, etc... and can't figure out the attitude. Then again, these are the people who have actually called the sheriff department complaining about deer and elk going through their property.
Yes, I most definitely believe there is an appropriate manner when it comes to firearms. And I'm not really soliciting people to move to wyoming. I personally prefer that only people who are willing to change "Their" ways and not expect the people who already live here to change, to be the ones that move here. With 21 years in the military and civilian employment, I;ve worked, lived, visited, etc... 16 countries. Whenever I go to a different country, I learn THEIR customs, language, etc... I don't expect them to adapt to me. But again, to answer your concern, I do believe there is an appropriate manner when it comes to firearms.
As for your interpretation of what I wrote, you are pretty far off base. "THEY" doesn't refer to any particular person. THEY refers to ANY person into guns. By listening to them; e.g. you, me, mom, neighbor, stranger, whoever; you can tell their attitude and whether or not they are an extremist, mall ninja, paranoid, etc.... I used "examples" of words. But we all know, "Or SHOULD know", what contextual clues are, and what a person means not just by WHAT they say, but HOW they say it. In other words, you are perceiving something that I didn't say.
Yes, I most definitely believe there is an appropriate manner when it comes to firearms. And I'm not really soliciting people to move to wyoming. I personally prefer that only people who are willing to change "Their" ways and not expect the people who already live here to change, to be the ones that move here. With 21 years in the military and civilian employment, I;ve worked, lived, visited, etc... 16 countries. Whenever I go to a different country, I learn THEIR customs, language, etc... I don't expect them to adapt to me. But again, to answer your concern, I do believe there is an appropriate manner when it comes to firearms.
As for your interpretation of what I wrote, you are pretty far off base. "THEY" doesn't refer to any particular person. THEY refers to ANY person into guns. By listening to them; e.g. you, me, mom, neighbor, stranger, whoever; you can tell their attitude and whether or not they are an extremist, mall ninja, paranoid, etc.... I used "examples" of words. But we all know, "Or SHOULD know", what contextual clues are, and what a person means not just by WHAT they say, but HOW they say it. In other words, you are perceiving something that I didn't say.
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