SigP6Carry
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It's exactly the same as people who drive lifted SUVs, souped up ricers and muscles cars with blowers.
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bamaranger
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I personally do NOT have 24/7 screaming media in my home or face.
The good wife and I "blew up the TV" quite a few years ago. About the most TV I get is at the doc's office (more and more) and the gym (less and less).
Dropped the local paper 'cause it's to commie lib and NE based, here in the Deep South no less.
We live in a rural area, not as backwoods as some, but probably more than most. The county itself is probably in the middle of the population spectrum for the state.
I've got enough of my own problems w/o TV and crazy professor's in Huntsville. Here's a brief rundown of the crap that's gone on in my quaint setting and near my wee humble cottage.
-'bout 15 yrs ago, guy got in some type of confrontation w/ a camper at a state campground, 5-6 miles away. Camper shot the guy dead after he started brandishing a bat and beating the guys truck, (w/ him in it)
-'bout 10 years ago a stickup team abducted a father and grade school age son at a local boat ramp, 5-6 miles away as the crow flies. Took'em up stream and killed'em both, dumped the bodies in the creek. Used their truck in a bank robbery.
-'bout 5 years ago, less than a quarter mile down the road, my second and only other visible neighbor, in his 70's, got to hanging w/ the wrong crew and was killed w/ an axe over beer money.
-this past year, my nearest neighbors adult son has resurfaced in the community. Totally cooked on drug abuse. Has fought his Dad, Mom, teenage nephews, and the local SO. Three deputies tazed him multiple times last summer before he was subdued. Right across the darn lane. He's "out" right now I hear.
-last month, they opened a bar in a cave (I'm not lyin') 1/2 mile down the road. Open 3 nights a week. The amount of traffic on my little lane has increased dramatically. Beer cans all along the road. Cars stuck,....cars on the side of the road w/ guys urinating, lots of SO and ambulance runs to the locale.
I stay armed, and alert as possible. Dogs work great as a warning device and deterrent.
I personally do NOT have 24/7 screaming media in my home or face.
The good wife and I "blew up the TV" quite a few years ago. About the most TV I get is at the doc's office (more and more) and the gym (less and less).
Dropped the local paper 'cause it's to commie lib and NE based, here in the Deep South no less.
We live in a rural area, not as backwoods as some, but probably more than most. The county itself is probably in the middle of the population spectrum for the state.
I've got enough of my own problems w/o TV and crazy professor's in Huntsville. Here's a brief rundown of the crap that's gone on in my quaint setting and near my wee humble cottage.
-'bout 15 yrs ago, guy got in some type of confrontation w/ a camper at a state campground, 5-6 miles away. Camper shot the guy dead after he started brandishing a bat and beating the guys truck, (w/ him in it)
-'bout 10 years ago a stickup team abducted a father and grade school age son at a local boat ramp, 5-6 miles away as the crow flies. Took'em up stream and killed'em both, dumped the bodies in the creek. Used their truck in a bank robbery.
-'bout 5 years ago, less than a quarter mile down the road, my second and only other visible neighbor, in his 70's, got to hanging w/ the wrong crew and was killed w/ an axe over beer money.
-this past year, my nearest neighbors adult son has resurfaced in the community. Totally cooked on drug abuse. Has fought his Dad, Mom, teenage nephews, and the local SO. Three deputies tazed him multiple times last summer before he was subdued. Right across the darn lane. He's "out" right now I hear.
-last month, they opened a bar in a cave (I'm not lyin') 1/2 mile down the road. Open 3 nights a week. The amount of traffic on my little lane has increased dramatically. Beer cans all along the road. Cars stuck,....cars on the side of the road w/ guys urinating, lots of SO and ambulance runs to the locale.
I stay armed, and alert as possible. Dogs work great as a warning device and deterrent.
imthegrumpyone
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Pushing 67, carried a .45 in the Army, got out went into business put one in SOB and have been carrying now for 48 years. Times change, things get worse, bad guys get bolder, they have no value for anyone's life. What I've worked hard for is mine not there's. I will also help and defend my fellow man or woman. So I guess I can say "yes" to have been carrying when I was young or all my life, it's part of getting dressed in the morning. 
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CCorp: Understand that I am sympathetic to at least the general sense of your OP. I say that "general" thing because it's not crystal clear what you want as a response.
You evince some frustration about the replies to your OP. I have read them all and have felt that, in one way or another, they have all addressed your questions. You feel that many are missing the point. That is because you have a clearer idea of what you want. You have not communicated that to your readers. If you want better answers, you'll have to ask better questions.
About violence - past and present -
Yeah, there was. As noted in a couple of earlier posts, we hear about it more. I am surprised, though, at the number of first hand experiences that have been cited. Surprised and saddened that anyone of you - anyone at all - should have to deal with that type of craziness.
Interestingly....I divide my time now that I'm retired between my home in NYC (Brooklyn) and what used to be a weekend home in rural PA. I can and do carry in PA. I cannot in NYC. I have rarely felt threatened in Brooklyn, though; not that something bad could not happen today. In many years of City life, I have never felt the need to carry a gun. (I do possess firearms in NYC but cannot carry them). In rural PA where I spend a lot of time outdoors, I have always felt more comfortable with a gun on my hip than without (though it's usually five or six shots and no reloads). Go figure.
Pete
CCorp: Understand that I am sympathetic to at least the general sense of your OP. I say that "general" thing because it's not crystal clear what you want as a response.
You evince some frustration about the replies to your OP. I have read them all and have felt that, in one way or another, they have all addressed your questions. You feel that many are missing the point. That is because you have a clearer idea of what you want. You have not communicated that to your readers. If you want better answers, you'll have to ask better questions.
About violence - past and present -
Yeah, there was. As noted in a couple of earlier posts, we hear about it more. I am surprised, though, at the number of first hand experiences that have been cited. Surprised and saddened that anyone of you - anyone at all - should have to deal with that type of craziness.
Interestingly....I divide my time now that I'm retired between my home in NYC (Brooklyn) and what used to be a weekend home in rural PA. I can and do carry in PA. I cannot in NYC. I have rarely felt threatened in Brooklyn, though; not that something bad could not happen today. In many years of City life, I have never felt the need to carry a gun. (I do possess firearms in NYC but cannot carry them). In rural PA where I spend a lot of time outdoors, I have always felt more comfortable with a gun on my hip than without (though it's usually five or six shots and no reloads). Go figure.
Pete
AMP44 and KGPCR....very well said. The older I get, the more I'm dismayed by some of these types...I can carry or not as the situation demands, a right made permanent by the 2nd Amendment. It's not a macho thing, it's not an "image", the right is there for me to use or not as I see fit.
We've got a pop culture that's grown to believe that life is an endless series of video games, with no real consequences...those who revel in that hollow culture find fulfillment in their driving habits, clothing, or lack of compassion for their fellow man. And occasionally, they carry as well...it's a sobering thought, my friends...and one good reason to carry as well.
For the original poster, I'd say that dawn has finally come to many of our fellow Americans...that they've come to realize that many areas of our great land are inhabited and dominated by an immoral and unlawful few, and like those who have been scared by fire once, they have chosen to invest and hopefully to become proficient, in the use of "fire extinguishers".
Rodfac
We've got a pop culture that's grown to believe that life is an endless series of video games, with no real consequences...those who revel in that hollow culture find fulfillment in their driving habits, clothing, or lack of compassion for their fellow man. And occasionally, they carry as well...it's a sobering thought, my friends...and one good reason to carry as well.
For the original poster, I'd say that dawn has finally come to many of our fellow Americans...that they've come to realize that many areas of our great land are inhabited and dominated by an immoral and unlawful few, and like those who have been scared by fire once, they have chosen to invest and hopefully to become proficient, in the use of "fire extinguishers".
Rodfac
I've always wondered just what good those color codes did myself. I have no idea if I'm supposed to act any differently. Now the funny thing is, everyone seems to have a vested interest in increased danger. A perpetual emergency, if you will. Some in government (any government) want the perception of increased threat (from anything) so they can claim more power, sometimes called emergency powers. Those on the right claim the world is a more dangerous place than ever to justify their wish to go about armed, sometimes heavily armed, while those on the left sometimes make the same claim in order to disarm people, apparently. Those in the back have no idea what's going on because they can't hear and don't have a loud voice.
There are a lot of claims here that suggest the world was perfectly peaceful x number of years ago. Someone said home invasions never occurred. Perhaps not but there were be burglaries. What's the difference? What's in a name? Murders? I am afraid there used to be murders also. I even knew a murder victim, killed with a handgun in her sleep. Same small town, attendant in an all night gas station killed. All this was decades ago.
There are a lot of claims here that suggest the world was perfectly peaceful x number of years ago. Someone said home invasions never occurred. Perhaps not but there were be burglaries. What's the difference? What's in a name? Murders? I am afraid there used to be murders also. I even knew a murder victim, killed with a handgun in her sleep. Same small town, attendant in an all night gas station killed. All this was decades ago.
Double Naught Spy
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Ah yes, in the good old days everything was better. Heck when I was growing up, domestic violence wasn't really an issue. Sure there were some parents who seemd to have a lot of "accidents." Date rape wasn't rape, etc. There were a whole variety of crimes that you just didn't talk about.
Pie was better then, too, yards were greener, and dirt was less dirty.
ScottRiqui
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Speaking of the "old days", when did dog poop stop turning white in the sun? I remember it did when I was a kid, but it doesn't seem to anymore.
(Weird the things I think of before I've had my coffee...)
(Weird the things I think of before I've had my coffee...)
“I carry a Colt 45 Officers model and have for years. The reason I started carrying was due to a couple of friends who were LEOs telling me about what had happened on their shifts.’ Sir has anything’s happened to you, and if you were armed at that time could you have stopped them?
I have not ever pulled my gun. I am prepared to do so.
The closest was last May when my neighbor's (1/2 mile away) alarm went off. The alarm company called him and he was 45 minutes away. He asked me to check on his home. I went there and no cars in the driveway. I went around back and seen the backdoor had been kicked in. I called 911 and told the dispatcher of the situation. The county police were already on the way but she told me they would turn on their lights and sirens. I was at the back door with my 7 shot 45 thinking I was UNDER GUNNED. I was thinking I wish I would have brought a 12 guage. Anyway the dispatcher had me come around to the side of the house where I could see the backyard and where the officers could see me upon their arrival. She described me and my truck to the responding officers so they would know I was not the BG.
Long story short. The burglars had already left the house before I got there. The alarm siren had scared them off. In September, my friend got his stolen Mossberg back from a pawnshop in Kentucky. All other stolen items have not been recovered.
I would have held the person at gunpoint if things would have been different. If there is a next time, I will take a shotgun along with my CCW.
I have not ever pulled my gun. I am prepared to do so.
The closest was last May when my neighbor's (1/2 mile away) alarm went off. The alarm company called him and he was 45 minutes away. He asked me to check on his home. I went there and no cars in the driveway. I went around back and seen the backdoor had been kicked in. I called 911 and told the dispatcher of the situation. The county police were already on the way but she told me they would turn on their lights and sirens. I was at the back door with my 7 shot 45 thinking I was UNDER GUNNED. I was thinking I wish I would have brought a 12 guage. Anyway the dispatcher had me come around to the side of the house where I could see the backyard and where the officers could see me upon their arrival. She described me and my truck to the responding officers so they would know I was not the BG.
Long story short. The burglars had already left the house before I got there. The alarm siren had scared them off. In September, my friend got his stolen Mossberg back from a pawnshop in Kentucky. All other stolen items have not been recovered.
I would have held the person at gunpoint if things would have been different. If there is a next time, I will take a shotgun along with my CCW.
Ha, you live in Cheyenne, there is 1/3 the violent crime as the rest of the nation. I live in "THE ATL", it has 3.5 times the national average. I think where you live has a bit to do with your outlook as well. Not to say that some people are not overly paranoid but I have greater than 10 times the chance of being involved in a voilent crime just based on geographics.
KingEdward
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I began shooting/hunting around age 12. I did not purchase until age 21.
Until I was 25, I lived in a small middle TN country town of 350. About
the most dangerous thing was kids rolling trees on halloween or maybe
some older angrier kids hitting mail boxes with baseball bats during the night.
I never carried or even thought about it. At home doors were all locked
and a shotgun was kept loaded behind the bedroom door.
When I got married, we first lived in a small duplex. The third night there, some not so friendly goons showed up next door pounding on the door and shouting obscenities. Then they were pounding on our door. There were
asked through the door to leave and they refused as they were looking for
someone who lived next door. The police later helped them leave.
Turned out our 'neighbor' was a small time pot head / dealer and he did
business out of the duplex.
About two years after this, my father-in-law was confronted/robbed while
pumping gas. He and I went ahead and took the CCW class and started
carrying. I only had long guns so I purchased 2 new revolvers (1 CCW / 1 for the house we moved in to). He and I since have made many purchases, go to gun shows together, and shoot together from time to time for fun.
I have never acted or walked around as if the gun is the one size fits all
solution. It is part of a bigger way of life. The brain, situational awareness, avoiding stupid places and stupid people, studying the laws, etc.
Now I live in a 'decent' apartment complex. There was a forced entry armed
home invasion there last year that I witnessed / called police. According
to the TN sex registry, there are 5 convicted rapists and 10 convicted child
solicitors that live within 1/2 mile of my apartment.
You can drive about 1/2 mile in any direction and see cars with gang symbols and it's not all too difficult to figure out which roads / areas at night to avoid.
And this is Nashville TN. Not Detroit. I carry. I keep on alert at home.
Others do or do not and that's on them.
Until I was 25, I lived in a small middle TN country town of 350. About
the most dangerous thing was kids rolling trees on halloween or maybe
some older angrier kids hitting mail boxes with baseball bats during the night.
I never carried or even thought about it. At home doors were all locked
and a shotgun was kept loaded behind the bedroom door.
When I got married, we first lived in a small duplex. The third night there, some not so friendly goons showed up next door pounding on the door and shouting obscenities. Then they were pounding on our door. There were
asked through the door to leave and they refused as they were looking for
someone who lived next door. The police later helped them leave.
Turned out our 'neighbor' was a small time pot head / dealer and he did
business out of the duplex.
About two years after this, my father-in-law was confronted/robbed while
pumping gas. He and I went ahead and took the CCW class and started
carrying. I only had long guns so I purchased 2 new revolvers (1 CCW / 1 for the house we moved in to). He and I since have made many purchases, go to gun shows together, and shoot together from time to time for fun.
I have never acted or walked around as if the gun is the one size fits all
solution. It is part of a bigger way of life. The brain, situational awareness, avoiding stupid places and stupid people, studying the laws, etc.
Now I live in a 'decent' apartment complex. There was a forced entry armed
home invasion there last year that I witnessed / called police. According
to the TN sex registry, there are 5 convicted rapists and 10 convicted child
solicitors that live within 1/2 mile of my apartment.
You can drive about 1/2 mile in any direction and see cars with gang symbols and it's not all too difficult to figure out which roads / areas at night to avoid.
And this is Nashville TN. Not Detroit. I carry. I keep on alert at home.
Others do or do not and that's on them.
The Tourist
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I think much of your debate hinges on how people evolve over time. You mentioned that some are taught early, and some enter the sport later. Clearly there is some type of learning curve, I just believe it works in both directions of an opinion.
At the age of 16, safety and security was a six-inch Italian stiletto with a really fancy handle. Now at the age of 60, I put in better doors and windows and installed an ADT alarm system. Yikes, talk about differing strategies.
I once lusted after a .44 Rem Mag. I now also own a .380 ACP.
I find lots of younger guys dressed as if combat was coming in the next thirty minutes, right down to their boots and bloused cuffs. But I never leave home without coupons for an early-bird buffet...
At the age of 16, safety and security was a six-inch Italian stiletto with a really fancy handle. Now at the age of 60, I put in better doors and windows and installed an ADT alarm system. Yikes, talk about differing strategies.
I once lusted after a .44 Rem Mag. I now also own a .380 ACP.
I find lots of younger guys dressed as if combat was coming in the next thirty minutes, right down to their boots and bloused cuffs. But I never leave home without coupons for an early-bird buffet...
I personally think Gun Manufacturers are pumping all this into certain peoples minds in order to increase gun sales, just kidding. But the OP did bring up a good point.
Webleymkv: I don't agree with that entirely. I think there is a 3rd category as well. The one I fall under.
Webleymkv: I don't agree with that entirely. I think there is a 3rd category as well. The one I fall under.
christcorp
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I will attempt this ONLY 1 more time. Only because some people are actually "Trying" to answer the question. Some, are ....... Well, let me not go there. Don't want to **** off too many people.
1st: mchrist80, you have no idea who I am, where I'm FROM, my experiences, or anything. So please don't let your ignorance over ride your mouth and pretend that you have a better insight on life than I do. You don't. But if you must know; I spent my entire life up until the age of 18 living in the cities of Newark, Jersey City, and other cities in New Jersey and New York. I am very familiar with crime, gangs, race riots of the 60's, and just about everything relating to that. So don't pretend that because I "Currently" live in Cheyenne, that I have no experience. Oh; and for 21 years, I was in the military where I lived in places like Austin, Albuquerque, London, Madrid, Amsterdam, San Antonio, Miami, etc...
I will readdress my initial question later tonight when I can get my thoughts together and try and be more clear in my original question. I will give the benefit of the doubt that I wasn't clear enough. I'll post later.
1st: mchrist80, you have no idea who I am, where I'm FROM, my experiences, or anything. So please don't let your ignorance over ride your mouth and pretend that you have a better insight on life than I do. You don't. But if you must know; I spent my entire life up until the age of 18 living in the cities of Newark, Jersey City, and other cities in New Jersey and New York. I am very familiar with crime, gangs, race riots of the 60's, and just about everything relating to that. So don't pretend that because I "Currently" live in Cheyenne, that I have no experience. Oh; and for 21 years, I was in the military where I lived in places like Austin, Albuquerque, London, Madrid, Amsterdam, San Antonio, Miami, etc...
I will readdress my initial question later tonight when I can get my thoughts together and try and be more clear in my original question. I will give the benefit of the doubt that I wasn't clear enough. I'll post later.
Apparently, the OP had a "goal" in mind before ever posting, yet isn't willing or able to clearify that.
As a result, I'm going to address the specific questions that the OP asked in an attempt to satisfy my own curiosity.
You were right, so far.
In some cases, they didn't. Or, perhaps they did it poorly. Or, they did the best they could, and finally decided to take SD more seriously. People change, just as the world changes, and our perception of it changes as a result. I've always had guns available, and even my own perception of the world has changed. There is at least one person in this world who would see me dead, and would be willing to do it herself if she thought she could get away with it. Things change.
In all likelihood, most people carrying a gun will never use it to to defend themselves or another. Those are the odds, and they remain very similar, regardless of whether one carries or not. They got by without needing a gun to defend themselves, but maybe saw some bad things happen (to either them, their loved ones, or to others near them), and decided they might need to take self-defense more seriously.
We all have our reasons, and they're likely as numerous as the individuals who carry.
Ahh...now we're getting to the crux of your questioning, methinks. Why do people act like mall ninja's/commandos when they buy a gun? Or, why do they "need" mall ninja gear while walking among others in a civilized society?
the fact is, I dunno. I guess once into the SD line of thought, they let their imagination run wild, and things get carried away. Also, gun writers (ptooey!) advocating the latest, greatest "accessories" and "hi-cap" firearms to have the "best" defense against the BG's probably adds to the imaginations-gone-wild.
That said, one of the primary reasons for the 2nd ammendment is to defend against tyranny in government. The simple fact is, the Clinton era "restrictions" on semi-auto firearms caused a lot of people to buy such firearms when the restrictions sunseted. In reality, having such firearms is not necessarily a bad thing; only the mentality and perception of "needing" such things for every day life, and projecting a view that anything less is "inadequate" tends to be annoying.
I dunno thought, 'cause I still carry a revolver; although I do stick a speed loader in my coat pocket on occasion.
Well, it could be a little of both, but there are people in this world who would rather give up their life than to defend it by killing another. My wife has a cousin who feels very much that way, and she has no illusions about the world. She's half-oriental, and has been discriminated against (severely, from what I've heard), but she chooses not to defend herself, even if it might cost her her life.
On the other hand, I cannot abide what is to me such a nonsensical line of thinking. I cannot, and will not sacrifice myself or see a loved one suffer if I'm able to do something to stop it. My thoughts are that if good people willingly lay down their lives without struggle, then evil WILL rule over all else, and I cannot abide this.
And others have various thoughts along those lines, that may agree or contradict or agree with either line of thinking, and with a logical thought process to back it up.
We are not all equal in that regard.
Well, as I've said, I still carry a revolver...openly most of the time, but I conceal it for some occasions where it might be considered more "appropriate". In my area, nobody seems to notice...or care abot open carry.
But, if someone wants to carry a 50 round magazine stuffed in the latest semi-auto, and they practice with it enough to be proficient, then isn't that as good as anything else? Seriously, it's a tool, and we all have our preferences.
I'm reminded of a situation many years ago in Tucson, when a perp got out of a car with a MAC-10 and opened fire on an LEO that had just pulled him over. The officer returned fire with a .357 revolver, and killed the perp. I don't think the officer was even hit.
Either can be used effectively, as long as the shooter practices with it. Perhaps this question should be rephrased to "why don't people practice with their carry gun?". I dunno.
If you have an issue with hi-cap guns, maybe talk to the Clintons. They'll love ya for it.
Well, I shoot for sport, hunt, plink, and also keep a firearm handy for self-defense. I live about 10 miles north of the Az/Mexico border. I have no "illusions" about possible dangers, because I've lived here all of my life. Where I live may be worse than some areas, while definitely being better than others. Things happen, so I take precautions.
That said, what I do in my own home should NOT be an issue with you; that is, unless you're a criminal who plans on breaking in.
Self-defense is very similar in that regard; I carry daily, and I practice often enough to know what I can (and more importantly, what I can't) do with my carry handgun. The fact that I carry, or WHAT I carry, should be irrelevant to you, or anyone else I may encounter.
Regardless of any percieved or actual threats I may foresee, I'm not a killer of innocent people, and regardless of what I carry, pose no threat to them. For that reason, it's not of any concern to those around me unless they themselves are criminals with ill-intent towards me or mine.
This is exactly the way I try to see others who carry legally, and it's the way I want them to see me.
Daryl
As a result, I'm going to address the specific questions that the OP asked in an attempt to satisfy my own curiosity.
You were right, so far.
In some cases, they didn't. Or, perhaps they did it poorly. Or, they did the best they could, and finally decided to take SD more seriously. People change, just as the world changes, and our perception of it changes as a result. I've always had guns available, and even my own perception of the world has changed. There is at least one person in this world who would see me dead, and would be willing to do it herself if she thought she could get away with it. Things change.
In all likelihood, most people carrying a gun will never use it to to defend themselves or another. Those are the odds, and they remain very similar, regardless of whether one carries or not. They got by without needing a gun to defend themselves, but maybe saw some bad things happen (to either them, their loved ones, or to others near them), and decided they might need to take self-defense more seriously.
We all have our reasons, and they're likely as numerous as the individuals who carry.
Ahh...now we're getting to the crux of your questioning, methinks. Why do people act like mall ninja's/commandos when they buy a gun? Or, why do they "need" mall ninja gear while walking among others in a civilized society?
the fact is, I dunno. I guess once into the SD line of thought, they let their imagination run wild, and things get carried away. Also, gun writers (ptooey!) advocating the latest, greatest "accessories" and "hi-cap" firearms to have the "best" defense against the BG's probably adds to the imaginations-gone-wild.
That said, one of the primary reasons for the 2nd ammendment is to defend against tyranny in government. The simple fact is, the Clinton era "restrictions" on semi-auto firearms caused a lot of people to buy such firearms when the restrictions sunseted. In reality, having such firearms is not necessarily a bad thing; only the mentality and perception of "needing" such things for every day life, and projecting a view that anything less is "inadequate" tends to be annoying.
I dunno thought, 'cause I still carry a revolver; although I do stick a speed loader in my coat pocket on occasion.
Well, it could be a little of both, but there are people in this world who would rather give up their life than to defend it by killing another. My wife has a cousin who feels very much that way, and she has no illusions about the world. She's half-oriental, and has been discriminated against (severely, from what I've heard), but she chooses not to defend herself, even if it might cost her her life.
On the other hand, I cannot abide what is to me such a nonsensical line of thinking. I cannot, and will not sacrifice myself or see a loved one suffer if I'm able to do something to stop it. My thoughts are that if good people willingly lay down their lives without struggle, then evil WILL rule over all else, and I cannot abide this.
And others have various thoughts along those lines, that may agree or contradict or agree with either line of thinking, and with a logical thought process to back it up.
We are not all equal in that regard.
Well, as I've said, I still carry a revolver...openly most of the time, but I conceal it for some occasions where it might be considered more "appropriate". In my area, nobody seems to notice...or care abot open carry.
But, if someone wants to carry a 50 round magazine stuffed in the latest semi-auto, and they practice with it enough to be proficient, then isn't that as good as anything else? Seriously, it's a tool, and we all have our preferences.
I'm reminded of a situation many years ago in Tucson, when a perp got out of a car with a MAC-10 and opened fire on an LEO that had just pulled him over. The officer returned fire with a .357 revolver, and killed the perp. I don't think the officer was even hit.
Either can be used effectively, as long as the shooter practices with it. Perhaps this question should be rephrased to "why don't people practice with their carry gun?". I dunno.
If you have an issue with hi-cap guns, maybe talk to the Clintons. They'll love ya for it.
Well, I shoot for sport, hunt, plink, and also keep a firearm handy for self-defense. I live about 10 miles north of the Az/Mexico border. I have no "illusions" about possible dangers, because I've lived here all of my life. Where I live may be worse than some areas, while definitely being better than others. Things happen, so I take precautions.
That said, what I do in my own home should NOT be an issue with you; that is, unless you're a criminal who plans on breaking in.
Self-defense is very similar in that regard; I carry daily, and I practice often enough to know what I can (and more importantly, what I can't) do with my carry handgun. The fact that I carry, or WHAT I carry, should be irrelevant to you, or anyone else I may encounter.
Regardless of any percieved or actual threats I may foresee, I'm not a killer of innocent people, and regardless of what I carry, pose no threat to them. For that reason, it's not of any concern to those around me unless they themselves are criminals with ill-intent towards me or mine.
This is exactly the way I try to see others who carry legally, and it's the way I want them to see me.
Daryl
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erikrichard
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I'll direct a question back to the OP: why would you carry a 5 or 6 shot j frame revolver when you can carry a p11 or similar that's about the same size/weight with twice the firepower in 9mm vs .38sp? They're both double action, please tell me the advantage of the revolver
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Lawyer Daggit
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Prior to owning a gun for defence, I imagine people in the US are forced to do what we in Australia have to do- be more discriminating where you go. This often means not going into certain regions at night and if you are somewhere carry, or have with you an improvised weapon- a walking stick , keys, (knives are illegal to carry without reason and defence is not allowed as a reason).
Often of course, trouble winds up on the streets in areas where they should not be. One has to cross over and discreetly avoid it.
I was once confronted by a man after 'some money to get home', he had quite a manacing manner (fondling a short length of chain) near shops in what I regard as a good up market suburb. My dog, a German Shepherd cross who looked more like a timber wolf was out of sight doing her business in some nearby shadows. She realised what was going on and came to my aid. After she moved beside me and emitted a low growl he said 'nice dog you have there mister' and moved on.
I have often wondered what would have happened if Jassie had not been with me that night.
Obviously CCW does not (should not) place you into a situation where you will walk around looking for a fight, but it does I imagine enable one to move about with more confidence.
My guess is that it would make little difference what so ever to what you do or where you go- simply reduce the fear factor.
Often of course, trouble winds up on the streets in areas where they should not be. One has to cross over and discreetly avoid it.
I was once confronted by a man after 'some money to get home', he had quite a manacing manner (fondling a short length of chain) near shops in what I regard as a good up market suburb. My dog, a German Shepherd cross who looked more like a timber wolf was out of sight doing her business in some nearby shadows. She realised what was going on and came to my aid. After she moved beside me and emitted a low growl he said 'nice dog you have there mister' and moved on.
I have often wondered what would have happened if Jassie had not been with me that night.
Obviously CCW does not (should not) place you into a situation where you will walk around looking for a fight, but it does I imagine enable one to move about with more confidence.
My guess is that it would make little difference what so ever to what you do or where you go- simply reduce the fear factor.
I have also wondered why some people seam so way over the top with there assessment of the threat level. Then I remind myself that my perceived and actual threat level dose not correspond with the rest of the country. Although I find the mall ninja attitude rather comical it dose not offend me. As long as you are not infringing on my ability to be an individual, do what makes you happy.
I might have also had some blinders on. I grew up with guns and in a place where we left the keys in our car at night and went on vacation and left the front door unlocked. But times change, although crime is still low back home people don't do that any more. Some of it is probably because of the media exposure we now have and because it is not as safe as when I grew up there.
I cut my teeth on Pachmayr grips and walnut stocks. But only recently feel like I need to go armed more often. My danger level has change due to my job taking me into arias where I have been cased and approached by shady people sizing me up for my van load of tools. That wasn't as bad as one domestic incident I ended up in the middle of. Luckily when I came up from working in the basement, to see what the yelling was about, they remembered I was there and calmed down. Could have been a disaster if it went totally out of control and I was an unwanted witness.
I might have also had some blinders on. I grew up with guns and in a place where we left the keys in our car at night and went on vacation and left the front door unlocked. But times change, although crime is still low back home people don't do that any more. Some of it is probably because of the media exposure we now have and because it is not as safe as when I grew up there.
I cut my teeth on Pachmayr grips and walnut stocks. But only recently feel like I need to go armed more often. My danger level has change due to my job taking me into arias where I have been cased and approached by shady people sizing me up for my van load of tools. That wasn't as bad as one domestic incident I ended up in the middle of. Luckily when I came up from working in the basement, to see what the yelling was about, they remembered I was there and calmed down. Could have been a disaster if it went totally out of control and I was an unwanted witness.
Stevie-Ray
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Some of us wished for a gun for a long time, but could only legally have one for home defense. We had to wait for our states to smarten up and adopt shall issue. I have been blessed or cursed with size, (6'4"-255) so I have generally been left alone. The minor scrapes I've been in as an adult, I've always emerged victorious. But that doesn't mean I haven't longed for a gun for protection for a good many years as I aged. And my wife is handicapped, so running away from trouble is out, though that is always preferable if possible. I've needed a gun for practically all my life, IMO. It's just that my state didn't allow me to carry it til a scant few years ago.
It's still a big city, so for the most part, it's no different.
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