The primarily rodent diet is a conclusion based on solid science but observations about their hunting ability and opportunistic kills of larger animals are well supported also. The scientists who made that conclusion most likely studied yotes as far as possible from the influence of man, not the ones we most often interact with. They are intelligent, able hunters and will do what it takes to survive. It's unreasonable to expect they'll pass up an easy meal of chickens or other livestock and pets when the opportunity presents itself. If an animal causes a problem with other animals that we consider beneficial then I think we have a responsibility as hunters to help resolve the problem. It doesn't hurt that many find it an enjoyable sport.
Coyote Ethics?
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rickyjames
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"They made the top of my search and destroy list when they started killing my animals"
if i live in buffalo ny and buy a new pick up truck should i be ****** off if it is rusting away after 3 years? the answer is no, i knew his happens to new cars in buffalo ny before i bought the truck. now if i lived in phoenix az and bought a new truck and it started rusting then i would be very angry.
i'm a live and let live kinda guy. i would hunt or trap coyotes for their fur when it is prime. trapping, calling, challanging shooting during prime fur season i would be in for. i would not be interested in eliminating them or shooting them off prime season. BUT..... if i was faced with them killing my animals then all bets would be off at least untill i thought i balanced the books. now there is a caveat to this. if i try to raise cattle or sheep in an area where coyotes, bears, bobcat, mt lions, wolves and other predators exist then it shouldn't surprise me if i lose some animals to predators. i don't believe farmers or ranchers have the right to eliminate what was there before them just to increase their bottom line. it is just a cost of doing businees in that area.
if i live in buffalo ny and buy a new pick up truck should i be ****** off if it is rusting away after 3 years? the answer is no, i knew his happens to new cars in buffalo ny before i bought the truck. now if i lived in phoenix az and bought a new truck and it started rusting then i would be very angry.
i'm a live and let live kinda guy. i would hunt or trap coyotes for their fur when it is prime. trapping, calling, challanging shooting during prime fur season i would be in for. i would not be interested in eliminating them or shooting them off prime season. BUT..... if i was faced with them killing my animals then all bets would be off at least untill i thought i balanced the books. now there is a caveat to this. if i try to raise cattle or sheep in an area where coyotes, bears, bobcat, mt lions, wolves and other predators exist then it shouldn't surprise me if i lose some animals to predators. i don't believe farmers or ranchers have the right to eliminate what was there before them just to increase their bottom line. it is just a cost of doing businees in that area.
rickyjames
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"Same people who say that are the people who import wolves to area where people raise food"
no. wolves were there first. they may have been exterminated by ranchers at one point but they were there first.
now here is another question. how many ranchers actually own the land they ranch on as opposed to leaseing it from the govt? if someone is lucky enough to own outright thousands of acres of land to farm or ranch they should step up and be heard. if most of the land you use is owned by me and the rest of america then i say be glad you pay almost nothing to use this great country of ours and quit your bitching. i live in az and the ranchers here lease more land than they own. they money they save can pay for more than a few sheep or cattle and most ranchers receive some sort of repayment from the govt to boot.
no. wolves were there first. they may have been exterminated by ranchers at one point but they were there first.
now here is another question. how many ranchers actually own the land they ranch on as opposed to leaseing it from the govt? if someone is lucky enough to own outright thousands of acres of land to farm or ranch they should step up and be heard. if most of the land you use is owned by me and the rest of america then i say be glad you pay almost nothing to use this great country of ours and quit your bitching. i live in az and the ranchers here lease more land than they own. they money they save can pay for more than a few sheep or cattle and most ranchers receive some sort of repayment from the govt to boot.
Doc Intrepid
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Like Brandy, I watched from a guard tower one night as 4 feral dogs ran down a doe and ate her alive, not 100 feet from the base of my tower.
Before that night I never knew that deer could scream.
In my world, at least, most things are relative. I'm a live and let live sort of guy also, until the predators get out of control. I am not a rancher, nor do I raise livestock, but I think that if I were responsible for raising animals I would do whatever it took to protect those animals to the best of my ability.
I wouldn't hunt coyotes for sport, but I would certainly try to protect my sheep or my other creatures.
JMHO. YMMV.
Before that night I never knew that deer could scream.
In my world, at least, most things are relative. I'm a live and let live sort of guy also, until the predators get out of control. I am not a rancher, nor do I raise livestock, but I think that if I were responsible for raising animals I would do whatever it took to protect those animals to the best of my ability.
I wouldn't hunt coyotes for sport, but I would certainly try to protect my sheep or my other creatures.
JMHO. YMMV.
Let Nature Work!
I lnow someone will prove me wrong but I doubt seriously that an introduced species has ever been successful for man or beast.
Feral dogs, hogs and cats have no place in the wild and should be killed on sight.
OTOH natural predators in a natural balance will killl their natural prey and it's not something everyone wants to see.
I lnow someone will prove me wrong but I doubt seriously that an introduced species has ever been successful for man or beast.
Feral dogs, hogs and cats have no place in the wild and should be killed on sight.
OTOH natural predators in a natural balance will killl their natural prey and it's not something everyone wants to see.
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Irish80prf
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Ok first I coyote hunt and love it, but I have no problem with anyone that doesn't hunt them or doesn't agree with it. My thinking is wolves kill coyotes because of territory and food supply, coyotes kill foxes because of territory and food supply, lions kill hyenas because of territory and food supply. What is so different about humans killing coyotes because of territory and "food supply". I wonder what a wolf is thinking when it chases a coyote down and kills it, I doubt it's, "man I shouldn't do this to this poor little thing". When the above listed animals kill their competition they have no interest in eating the meat or using the fur, they simple want them gone. This is just the way I think about it. I'm in no way trying to say everyone should see it my way I'm just giving my opinion on the subject.
Art Eatman
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"if most of the land you use is owned by me and the rest of america then i say be glad you pay almost nothing to use this great country of ours..."
rickyjames, the "pay almost nothing" is far, far away from being correct insofar as the amount of money per acre when measured against the productivity per acre of public lands in Arizona. On most BLM and FS lands in AZ, you can run as many cows per 640-acre section as there are inches of rainfall in a year. 80 acres or more per cow/calf. The leaseholder must invest the capital for any corrals and all water supplies; the government does not. And I want you to tell specifically what subsidy any rancher gets from the government.
A coyote-killed calf is $500 down the tubes...
Prior to travel across the Great Plains, coyotes were generally unknown in the eastern US. Makes sense; they're primarily an open-country animal--but adaptable, as we know. But early writings of flora and fauna made no mention of them.
rickyjames, the "pay almost nothing" is far, far away from being correct insofar as the amount of money per acre when measured against the productivity per acre of public lands in Arizona. On most BLM and FS lands in AZ, you can run as many cows per 640-acre section as there are inches of rainfall in a year. 80 acres or more per cow/calf. The leaseholder must invest the capital for any corrals and all water supplies; the government does not. And I want you to tell specifically what subsidy any rancher gets from the government.
A coyote-killed calf is $500 down the tubes...
Prior to travel across the Great Plains, coyotes were generally unknown in the eastern US. Makes sense; they're primarily an open-country animal--but adaptable, as we know. But early writings of flora and fauna made no mention of them.
johnwilliamson062
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So if I have a non-livestock bordering a neighbor who has livestock and is begging anyone around to take shots at coyotes is it ethical for me to take a shot?
I like the "not bothering me directly so I have no right to get involved" people in this thread. On so many subjects this stance would seem despicable. I know of one Ohio pack that has over 20 coyotes in a rural area. There isn't an animal in Ohio that could withstand an attack from 20 coyotes. There isn't much trouble with large livestock though. People with lambs, or free range chickens must be very careful though.
I like the "not bothering me directly so I have no right to get involved" people in this thread. On so many subjects this stance would seem despicable. I know of one Ohio pack that has over 20 coyotes in a rural area. There isn't an animal in Ohio that could withstand an attack from 20 coyotes. There isn't much trouble with large livestock though. People with lambs, or free range chickens must be very careful though.
Help him out and shoot some, it will give you something to talk about.
A friend has a pig composter, put in a whole hog that has died and it is a compost in a week or so then into the fields it goes, we put them coyotes in there and it is used for fertilizer. If not then we bury them in the garden area it is like 1/2 acre or so.
oneounceload
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Out in NV on vacation - saw two by the side of the road on the way to Virginia City - one had someones little dog or cat its mouth as they crossed the road - shoot those suckers every chance you can
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If that coyote had someones cat in its mouth, wouldn't that be a good thing? Espically if someone was an upland bird hunter?
I have personal experience that I have posted about elsewhere here about cats versus coyotes. In short, I used to frequent an area that at one time had many feral cats and very few birds. Coyotes moved in and the number of cats went down and the bird population went up.
I don't about you guys, but I would rather see coveys of quails then gangs of feral cats. But that's just me.
If that coyote had someones cat in its mouth, wouldn't that be a good thing? Espically if someone was an upland bird hunter?
I have personal experience that I have posted about elsewhere here about cats versus coyotes. In short, I used to frequent an area that at one time had many feral cats and very few birds. Coyotes moved in and the number of cats went down and the bird population went up.
I don't about you guys, but I would rather see coveys of quails then gangs of feral cats. But that's just me.
Art Eatman
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And after the cats are gone, it's back to the quail. 
Various Quail Unlimited tracts in Georgia have done studies on quail populations with and without varmint hunting. A reduction in any predator species enhances the quail population. Feral cats and coyotes seem to be the worst enemies, followed by raccoons and foxes.
However, in some areas, "fahr aints" are the worst enemy of all.
Various Quail Unlimited tracts in Georgia have done studies on quail populations with and without varmint hunting. A reduction in any predator species enhances the quail population. Feral cats and coyotes seem to be the worst enemies, followed by raccoons and foxes.
However, in some areas, "fahr aints" are the worst enemy of all.
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