country is anarchy prone
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Garand Illusion
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Sulaco2 -- you shouldn't use words you don't know the meaning of. I was quite clear in my semantics and the points were well made (if arguable).
Rome
Rome, China, Britain you name it. All 3 were great powers at one point that fell apart. What drove them to decline was the few taking advantage of the many and the many relying on the state for "entitlements". And both groups believing they were top dog and there was no real threat out there.
Do i feel our american society is raising youth to believe that they are entitled to stuff without working for it and that they have no obligation to the state (except possibly do your taxes correctly or cheat just a little bit)? Absolutely. That's going to be our downfall. We arent much different than rome. The rich will get richer and the poor will feel more and more entitled. The military will be more and more pressed to hire foreign labor since its citizens don't want to fight and eventually it will all fall apart.
Rome, China, Britain you name it. All 3 were great powers at one point that fell apart. What drove them to decline was the few taking advantage of the many and the many relying on the state for "entitlements". And both groups believing they were top dog and there was no real threat out there.
Do i feel our american society is raising youth to believe that they are entitled to stuff without working for it and that they have no obligation to the state (except possibly do your taxes correctly or cheat just a little bit)? Absolutely. That's going to be our downfall. We arent much different than rome. The rich will get richer and the poor will feel more and more entitled. The military will be more and more pressed to hire foreign labor since its citizens don't want to fight and eventually it will all fall apart.
roger-ruger
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listen up everyone, when i started this topic i was writing it based on the issues at hand being experienced by my country. once again the Filipino people and its young true democracy will once again be tested by issues that have divided the country. issues that once before hounded the presidency.
let me take you back to the year 1986 - Pres. Marcos - was forced out from the presidential palace and forced to exile to Hawaii by a popular peoples revolt known as the EDSA 1 w/c installed Pres. Aquino. Okey! - 1992 Pres. Estrada was forced out from office by EDSA 2 (another people power) w/c installed Pres. (?) Arroyo, fine no bid deal. 2 months later in a bid to restore ESTRADA - EDSA 3 was again in the offing but failed to put him back to office after it failed to acquire support from the military (EDSA 1 and 2 were supported by the Phil. military). After a 2002 election and 1 year after - the incumbent Pres. is hounded by allegations of gambling pay-offs manage by her husband and brother-in-law and the latest of which is election fraud where her voice was caught on tape speaking to an election commissioner (during election time) talking of plans to rig the election to her favor.
Problem now is local governors and mayors (especially in the Mindanao provinces) - (where is Mindanao?) - (Mindanao is another main group of islands that have fiercely resisted colonizing armies; Spain and U.S. - where the moro warriors have bravely resisted American troops, was it 1906? that led to the creation of the 1911/45ACP) - the local officials are threatening to create a separate Philippine Republic (Republic my *ss) if the President is forced out from office. With this threat my province or city or my country is faced with the possibility of another BOSNIA in Asia. Talks is that a power broker arrangement is being cooked up to further divide the Mindanao region to 2 different republics. The Bangsa Moro and a Christian republic. Do I sense another Indonesia - Ambon in the making? Some say this has been planned so as to appease our muslim brothers in the region who have been fighting for a separate state since the early 70s. If this republic thing is pushed by people in power in the absence of a referendum I truly see a possibility of civil war in my country with chaos concentrated in my region.
I know, I know, the political system in my country is entirely different from other advanced 1st world countries and I understand that. That is why ive started this topic in order to get of some people with unbiased stands. If worst comes to worst ill definetely be anti-republic. Why divide a country? Im pro-federal but anti-separate republic. I know only few people can ever understand the dangers that is in the offing threatening my country but the dangers are real. I see a possibility of an ethnic war or an all-out civil war if the president does not voluntary resign.
I know there is little a citizen can do with issues of this magnitude facing a country. Whats a P89 and a 1911 commander can do with a total breakdown in civil order happening prior to a formal civil war, GOD Forbids. Right now im writing this out not as an opinion but im writing this as news and as a hope for a ray of deliverance.
I advise that if you have friends in the region - this is the best time to pull them out while theres still time. One spark ignited and everything goes up. I appeal to everyone for prayers of support nothing of any kind to pray for my country and everyone in between, im sure we (Filipinos) will have a rough ride ahead. Otherwise all I can say is 'bring it on.'
let me take you back to the year 1986 - Pres. Marcos - was forced out from the presidential palace and forced to exile to Hawaii by a popular peoples revolt known as the EDSA 1 w/c installed Pres. Aquino. Okey! - 1992 Pres. Estrada was forced out from office by EDSA 2 (another people power) w/c installed Pres. (?) Arroyo, fine no bid deal. 2 months later in a bid to restore ESTRADA - EDSA 3 was again in the offing but failed to put him back to office after it failed to acquire support from the military (EDSA 1 and 2 were supported by the Phil. military). After a 2002 election and 1 year after - the incumbent Pres. is hounded by allegations of gambling pay-offs manage by her husband and brother-in-law and the latest of which is election fraud where her voice was caught on tape speaking to an election commissioner (during election time) talking of plans to rig the election to her favor.
Problem now is local governors and mayors (especially in the Mindanao provinces) - (where is Mindanao?) - (Mindanao is another main group of islands that have fiercely resisted colonizing armies; Spain and U.S. - where the moro warriors have bravely resisted American troops, was it 1906? that led to the creation of the 1911/45ACP) - the local officials are threatening to create a separate Philippine Republic (Republic my *ss) if the President is forced out from office. With this threat my province or city or my country is faced with the possibility of another BOSNIA in Asia. Talks is that a power broker arrangement is being cooked up to further divide the Mindanao region to 2 different republics. The Bangsa Moro and a Christian republic. Do I sense another Indonesia - Ambon in the making? Some say this has been planned so as to appease our muslim brothers in the region who have been fighting for a separate state since the early 70s. If this republic thing is pushed by people in power in the absence of a referendum I truly see a possibility of civil war in my country with chaos concentrated in my region.
I know, I know, the political system in my country is entirely different from other advanced 1st world countries and I understand that. That is why ive started this topic in order to get of some people with unbiased stands. If worst comes to worst ill definetely be anti-republic. Why divide a country? Im pro-federal but anti-separate republic. I know only few people can ever understand the dangers that is in the offing threatening my country but the dangers are real. I see a possibility of an ethnic war or an all-out civil war if the president does not voluntary resign.
I know there is little a citizen can do with issues of this magnitude facing a country. Whats a P89 and a 1911 commander can do with a total breakdown in civil order happening prior to a formal civil war, GOD Forbids. Right now im writing this out not as an opinion but im writing this as news and as a hope for a ray of deliverance.
I advise that if you have friends in the region - this is the best time to pull them out while theres still time. One spark ignited and everything goes up. I appeal to everyone for prayers of support nothing of any kind to pray for my country and everyone in between, im sure we (Filipinos) will have a rough ride ahead. Otherwise all I can say is 'bring it on.'
Three things have to happen before Israel declines, and the end times start. One has already happened; one is happening now; and one has yet to happen but it is close. Number one, Israel has to become a nation again after not being one for over 1900 years. In 1948 they became a formal nation, and in 1967 they acquired Jerusalem. That has happened. Number two, Jews have to come to know Jesus Christ in numbers unparalled in history. That is happening now. More Jews have accepted Jesus as their savior than in the preceding 2000 years. Number three, the temple has to be rebuilt on the temple mount in Jerusalem where the third most holy mosque of Islam now stands. Actually, the temple could be built without disturbing the mosque, but it would still cause a tumultous riot. The Jews are already making preparations for their temple. When you see the temple being built, the time is near. My personal opinion is that my generation (I'm 57) or, at the very least, the next generation will not pass before the end times. This is all outlined in the Bible. You don't have to believe me. The book of Daniel and Revelation cover this extensively along with about seven other books in the Bible. God is in complete control. I don't worry about anarchy because certain things have to happen in accordance with Biblical prophecy. It WILL happen just as the Bible says it will. Yes, I have several guns, and I intend to defend my family, but that won't change events overall, it will just change local events for my small family. Just my opinion based on the Bible.
dswindle, what world are you living in?
I won't even get into all your religious mumbo jumbo because its fine if YOU want to believe it, but don't state such things as fact because its your belief. People like you have been spouting this stuff since man could talk, and we are still here, all you guys do is change the paradigm to suit your interpretations. Its the 21st century, join the world to make sure these things don't happen, don't sit back and do nothing and wait for them.
What proof of this do you have besides your own thoughts?
I won't even get into all your religious mumbo jumbo because its fine if YOU want to believe it, but don't state such things as fact because its your belief. People like you have been spouting this stuff since man could talk, and we are still here, all you guys do is change the paradigm to suit your interpretations. Its the 21st century, join the world to make sure these things don't happen, don't sit back and do nothing and wait for them.
Always go back to the question asked
in the event of political and economic turmoil do you feel your country is anarchy prone?
in times like these, what do you think are your best weapons at hand
in times like these, what course of actions to take against lawlessness in the streets
With some modification there are three questions.
1. You have answered your own question no. 1. Obviously if there is no political or economic turmoil, a country is not prone to anarchy. If there is political or economic turmoil, a country is more prone to anarchy.
2. Best weapons "in times like these". Geez! How high is up? Your brain is your best weapon. You train your brain on its levels of awareness, the ability to receive and process information. Some day look at the real statistics. Your chances of being a victim of a violent crime if you are a white male is about once in 10,000 years in the better sections of Los Angeles. Your chances of being a victim of violent crime if you are a black male in the poorer sections of Los Angeles is once in about 33 years. I read some statistics once in the Los Angeles Times. So get real first! Stay out of bad areas of town. If shtf, avoid the confrontational situations that people like to talk about on computer boards like Walter Mitty. Just how many of the mighty German Army who marched into Poland during the first week of WWII in August 1939 were still alive in May 1945. So, gentlemen, avoid conflict whenever possible. This means splitting out if you sense anarchy is on its way. If you don't, all of your push ups, 50 mile hikes and made up prowness of your shooting skills don't mean a d--n. A basic training "huurahh" means nothing on the battlefield.
3. What courses of action do you take against lawlessness in the streets.
Well stay out of the streets, right? Ok, for some reason you want to take control of the streets? Ok. Very easy. Use satchel charges, gasoline bombs, shoot people in the back, make up IEDs, punji sticks. It all goes back to using your noodle.
Here is a challenge. When you really want to learn an series of alternative solutions to a hypothetical situation, write down your own answer first before posting the hypothetical. Then compare the answers to your answer. Normally, you will find the seeds of the answer in the question posed. It will help you to understand your own logic and way of formulating questons.
in the event of political and economic turmoil do you feel your country is anarchy prone?
in times like these, what do you think are your best weapons at hand
in times like these, what course of actions to take against lawlessness in the streets
With some modification there are three questions.
1. You have answered your own question no. 1. Obviously if there is no political or economic turmoil, a country is not prone to anarchy. If there is political or economic turmoil, a country is more prone to anarchy.
2. Best weapons "in times like these". Geez! How high is up? Your brain is your best weapon. You train your brain on its levels of awareness, the ability to receive and process information. Some day look at the real statistics. Your chances of being a victim of a violent crime if you are a white male is about once in 10,000 years in the better sections of Los Angeles. Your chances of being a victim of violent crime if you are a black male in the poorer sections of Los Angeles is once in about 33 years. I read some statistics once in the Los Angeles Times. So get real first! Stay out of bad areas of town. If shtf, avoid the confrontational situations that people like to talk about on computer boards like Walter Mitty. Just how many of the mighty German Army who marched into Poland during the first week of WWII in August 1939 were still alive in May 1945. So, gentlemen, avoid conflict whenever possible. This means splitting out if you sense anarchy is on its way. If you don't, all of your push ups, 50 mile hikes and made up prowness of your shooting skills don't mean a d--n. A basic training "huurahh" means nothing on the battlefield.
3. What courses of action do you take against lawlessness in the streets.
Well stay out of the streets, right? Ok, for some reason you want to take control of the streets? Ok. Very easy. Use satchel charges, gasoline bombs, shoot people in the back, make up IEDs, punji sticks. It all goes back to using your noodle.
Here is a challenge. When you really want to learn an series of alternative solutions to a hypothetical situation, write down your own answer first before posting the hypothetical. Then compare the answers to your answer. Normally, you will find the seeds of the answer in the question posed. It will help you to understand your own logic and way of formulating questons.
Edward429451
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Gee Pythonguy, for someone who don't want to get into all that religious mumbo jumbo, you sure sound like you have an ax to grind with Christians.
So he believes the Bible as fact. So what? He chooses to believe it as so. Just as you choose to believe that you came from a cosmic mud puddle. Where's your proof that he's wrong?
So he believes the Bible as fact. So what? He chooses to believe it as so. Just as you choose to believe that you came from a cosmic mud puddle. Where's your proof that he's wrong?
Edward429451,
You couldn't be more WRONG! Its NOT what he believes, just that he makes fallacious statements as if they are facts. You can interpret my words any way you want, but you'd be wrong. And just as he has the right to express his views, so do I. The difference, I am not expressing my views of what I believe, although you presume to tell me what I believe and think.
You couldn't be more WRONG! Its NOT what he believes, just that he makes fallacious statements as if they are facts. You can interpret my words any way you want, but you'd be wrong. And just as he has the right to express his views, so do I. The difference, I am not expressing my views of what I believe, although you presume to tell me what I believe and think.
Ever see the movie Red Dawn? Yes I know, it's Patrick Swazye and is corny in many ways and for all intents and purposes is suppoed to be a fun action movie. But the story behind it is not too far fetched when you think about it. With as many immigrants, both legal and illegal from the third world, that we let into this country every year. It could in given time sooner or later happen. The invasion started in that movie from immigrants crossing the border that sabotoged the US interior for the invading army. Granted there is no big world power to invade us like the Russians but who needs them when you have mass immigration....or psychopaths indoctrinated to becoming human bombs and crash airplanes into buildings.
That's pretty much how the 100 years war between England and France. In a nutshell English immigrants were in mass brought into France among the French people leading to a clash of cultures and intermingling politics of each country's monarchy. Led to years of bloody conflict.
I'm not advocating xenophobia or hating anybody, but that is just the truth of it despite popular PC Political slogans that our polititans like to spout like "America is a nation of immigrants."
That's pretty much how the 100 years war between England and France. In a nutshell English immigrants were in mass brought into France among the French people leading to a clash of cultures and intermingling politics of each country's monarchy. Led to years of bloody conflict.
I'm not advocating xenophobia or hating anybody, but that is just the truth of it despite popular PC Political slogans that our polititans like to spout like "America is a nation of immigrants."
Lawyer Daggit
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The problem we have is India and China's population explosion- by the end of this century India will have a bigger population than China's. India is becoming a significant presence in the IT environment.
Western populations however are declining.
Whether this will lead to war is another question. Both of these countries as trade orientated and can achieve what they need through trade.
Like most others positing on this site I think military triggers are more likely to come from the middle east.
Western populations however are declining.
Whether this will lead to war is another question. Both of these countries as trade orientated and can achieve what they need through trade.
Like most others positing on this site I think military triggers are more likely to come from the middle east.
Superhornet
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In this country ?? No chance at all.......but, I do keep six Garands, 5 45's and a few thousand rounds on hand..