Concealed Carry Argument?

Good suggestions. The Gun Facts download in particular is a secondary source which cites primary sources that are relatively easy to find.

Here are a some primary sources:
FBI Uniform Crime Reports from 1995 through preliminary for 2008.

Firearms Use by Offenders a Bureau of Justice compilation of data from Federal prisoners.

Homicide Trends in the United States Bureau of Justice charts and downloadable data every which way.

National Crime Victims Survey: Also a Bureau of Justice work.

Armed: New Perspectives on Gun Control by Gray Kleck (Important for his research on "Defensive Gun Use")

Percent Injured after Self Protection Action table derived from Kleck.

ARMED RESISTANCE TO CRIME: THE PREVALENCE AND NATURE OF SELF-DEFENSE WITH A GUN The Kleck source for table, above.

John Lott's Op/Eds are a gold mine of info: (search for "gun", there's a lot of stuff).

Defensive Gun Use Tables, a real eye opener showing guns are used many times more often to prevent crimes than to commit them (when used in conjunction with the Uniform Crime Reports).

WISQARS (Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System): an interactive database system that provides customized reports of injury-related data from the national Center of Health Statistics (NCHS) and the violent death data from NCIPC's National Violent Death Reporting System.

WISQUARS Report Generator Link
 
Feel free to be a defenseless victim of crime.

Just don't expect me to follow your example.

I value my life and those of my family and friends.

Hell,I might just save your life one day.
 
T.A.Sharps

What do you say to someone who wants to argue against the idea of concealed carry with you?

I was in an argument last night where my friend saw people being able to carry concealed weapons as meaning people will just start shooting people over stupid things.
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Millions of people carry concealed weapons every day, and have for decades. The lack of shootings over stupid things disproves his argument.
 
Don`t usually argue about cc but if discussion about same topic gets to that point I would probably ask friend that if him,his family-you and yours were all out and a life and death situation arose with some bad guys (god forbid but can happen) would he want you to defend him and his with your ccw. After saying that and friend still argue`s against ccw you might as well discontinue arguement. Some people just don`t want to accept the reality of what can possibly happen to themselves until its to late.
 
My argument is simple. People have a right to defend themselves.

Anybody who has a carry permit has generally needed to obtain a permit so they have a clean background with no history of violent crimes. I'd rather have a lot of people like that carrying to offset the issue of criminals carrying.

The police can't be everywhere, they won't escort you around to ensure your safety. You have to take your own safety into your own hands and that requires the right tools. The old saying never bring a knife to a gun fight comes to mind.
 
Thanks, Nigelcorn. What is most interesting to me is the fact that firearms are used far more often to prevent crimes than to commit them, any where from about six times to about twelve times more often based on the DGU tables compared with the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. Even more interesting, in a way, is that only in about 15% of the DGUs was the gun even fired and when it was only in about 8% of the incidents was the offender wounded or killed.
 
When Fl passed the Castle Law they were telling people to stay out of Fl or you would be shot for no reason:eek: Sorry just didn't happen the law took affect and all was normal or as normal as Fl gets:)
 
A question I like to ask folks who are opposed to CC or OC: "I understand this is an emotionally charged issue. Would you be open to reconsidering your position on this issue if material of which you were not previously aware were made available to you?".

When I am talking with someone whose mind is made up, I wrap it up right there.

Good thread.
 
I don't argue with any one about carrying, if there set in there ways. I'm not out to change there mind, if it becomes a real problem I'll limit time spent with them or drop them. Life to short. :D
 
r friend is really interested in facts, I recommend he read John Lott's "More Guns, Less Crime. A little dry due to all the statistical information but the general conclusion is that EVERY time gun laws are relaxed, crime DECREASES. He backs this up with facts and nearly half the book is footnotes listing his sources.
 
Movie Preditor Vs. Alien Scientist, "You don't need a gun on the ice". Security gal, "It's like a condom. Rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it".

Also the stats have shown over the last ten years that CCW for citizens over whelmingly bring violent crime rates down in the states that allow it. Which is one reason the CCW state list keeps growing, the toe in the water experiment has been done other places.
 
"Tell the person, that the criminal rate is higher with LEO's than it is with CCHP Holders."

DKA, could I have the source material and stats for that rather assine statement please? :mad:
 
I can't quote the actual stats, but I would use the argument (after getting the actual stats) that concealed carry has been legal for X amount of time and violent crimes in the areas where it is allowed has decreased by Y amount.

Also, I would leave them with the idea that me and my family are protected. If you are against it, don't expect me to save your ass when you need it.
 
DKA said:
Tell the person, that the criminal rate is higher with LEO's than it is with CCHP Holders.
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Now that's one I've never heard. I believe the crime rate in both cases borders on zero. Statistically insignificant to say the least.
 
DKA posted: "Tell the person, that the criminal rate is higher with LEO's than it is with CCHP Holders."

I'm with Sulaco2 and peetzakilla on this, show me. I just spent a bit of time with FBI Uniform Crime report and found no such breakdown, so DKA could be correct and I'd sure like to know where to find the info.

So, I'm guessing it's not readily available, if available at all, and remains 'not proved' to me. In any case criminal use of firearms by CCL holders or law enforcement combined has got to be pretty small, I would think.
 
Anybody have ANY numbers/stories/etc about a gun being taken from CCW holder, then used against him/her?




Everything I talk about with my wife, she's cool with until it happens


"Gonna get the .22 from my parents so I can take it to the range with the Glock"

She says OK until it is actually brought in, then goes haywire

"Gonna get my permit & holster so I can CC"

Fine until I actually got the holster


She was all OK about the Glock - has even fired it - but is, seemingly randomly, freaking out about the stuff we talk about when it comes to fruition

:confused::confused::confused:
 
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