Cocked and locked LEO carry

I saw a uniformed sheriff's deputy carrying a cocked and locked 1911 today. I chatted with him awhile and he said indeed it was a Springfield 1911 in .45acp. I said that is not something you see much anymore and he replied a couple of other deputies carry the same pistol.

Kind of refreshing in this age of polymer double stack 9mm and .40 S&W pistols.
 
I'd come across an LEO survey a while back regarding LEO handguns. Most of the respondents had to use an employer-issued weapon, usually a Glock, which is what I must do.

Off-duty, I'm allowed to carry almost anything and its often a 1911, but it'd be concealed and nobody would know, otherwise.
 
The last I knew the Gallatin County Sheriff's Department (Bozeman, MT) carried a 1911. The deputy I spoke with was carrying a Springfield also. Don't know if that's still the case today. FWIW Bozeman PD carries Glocks, MT State Troopers a Sig 229 in 357 Sig. That may have all changed AFAIK
 
On another forum someone made an argument against carrying a type of weapon for the sake of nostalgia or cool-factor. I would have to agree. If I were in LE, there's no way I would trade 16 rounds of 40S&W or 18 rounds of 9mm for 8 or 9 rounds of 45 ACP. Hey, what do I know . . .
 
I'd be so beyond thrilled if I could carry a 1911 on duty instead of this Austrian crap.

Like em or hate em, Glocks are far from crap, and this is coming from someone who used to be as anti Glock as they come.
 
I worked most of my LE career with a large department, where carrying a 1911 type pistol on duty was not possible. I later started work with a smaller agency that listed Series '80 Colts as one of the authorized primary weapons. I never really thought I'd be allowed to carry a 1911 type pistol on duty, but ended up carrying a Colt for my last several full time years in police work, and later/now as a reserve. Even though allowed, I think the younger guys look upon carrying anything other than a Glock, or possibly a SIG, as a bit odd. It appears that the department will be going to Glocks sooner rather than later. Likely no more individual choice unless grandfathered. Sheriffs Offices have traditionally allowed more latitude in what deputies are allowed to carry, to include 1911s. But, even the county S.O. here has gone to Glocks.....
 
Im as big a 1911 fan as they come. I carried one on duty as a LEO for years. Now i carry a Glock:eek:

Simpler operation.. Fewer parts to break. More rounds per mag.
 
I'd be so beyond thrilled if I could carry a 1911 on duty instead of this Austrian crap.

From the department you've described belonging to where there seems to be no armorer, no replacement handguns, and no money for ammo for testing even a reported failing pistol, I'm not sure you really do want a 1911.
 
I love my 1911 but I don't consider it a work gun for me...but it would be cool (bad ass factor) to carry it instead of my sig 220 similar gun really. I also had a friend request to carry his 1911 but he was denied.

Reason not a work gun for me would be even with practice I feel like I would forget the safety at some point
 
I do private security. Armored trucks to be exact. We are allowed any *quality* pistol or revolver we want, in any of 8 calibers, as long as it isn't Single Action. This rules out the 1911 & GP35, though my coworkers cocked-and-locked USP doesn't raise an eyebrow, nor does the very much Single Action XD series...but I digress. The Para-Ord LDA is Kosher.

Given the choice, I would opt for a combination of both capacity and power. Something like a widebody LDA or Glock in 10mm or .45. Even a hot 9mm wouldn't be wrong. HOWEVER, our situation is vastly different than a LEO.

I love the 1911, but given the choice would be more likely to carry it as a LEO than on this job.
 
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I guess to me I don't care what a cop carries as long as he is proficient in its use. Not that long ago I ran into another officer on an EMS call that was still carrying a .357 revolver. After chatting with him he told me he was allowed to continue using his revolver due to being grandfathered.
 
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You'd be hard pressed to find a major department--in fact I don't think there is a single major metro division in the US--allowing a 1911, or any single action handgun for street use. Almost none of them--again, I can't find one--allow thumb safeties. Just about every large department I know of is striker fired only (ie Glock, with a smattering of M&Ps and the rare XD), and if they sway from this, are Double Action Only in Sig or S&W. Last I checked in with an LAPD friend, they were allowed to use Beretta 92s, and while I wasn't specific about the configuration I wouldn't be surprised if they were DAO or at least had a decocker (ie no 92G).

I am sure that within a few minutes of this post, someone will trot out a department as an exception, and that isn't the point here. The vast majority of departments, and especially large, working agencies, eschew thumb safeties and single action firearms.

Frankly, the 1911 is a significant challenge to a law enforcement agency. They are finicky when deployed across an agency in numbers... remember: everyone gets them, takes them home, abuses them, etc. and not every officer is a gun nut that rubs their pistol with a diaper. Their action requires significant amounts of training to be deployed under stress relative to the draw-and-fire action allowed by DA/SA, DAO and pre-cocked strikers. Next, they are heavy for what they bring to the table in terms of capacity, etc.

The single action trigger, much less something as light as a 1911 trigger can be, is a dicey thing in a LE setting. There are already quite a few instances of accidental / negligent discharges, of officers sweeping or covering a suspect with a finger on the trigger, etc., where the light single action is even more of a liability than other mechanical methods.
 
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noonesshowmonkey...

And there are also numerous cases of dozens of rounds being fired from high capacity, striker fired, or DAO only, pistols by police officers with few and in many cases no hits at all.

If the advantage of a high capacity magazine is more rounds doesn't the inability to hit anything negate that advantage? Maybe less rounds forces a discipline that more rounds may eliminate.
 
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