Cocked and locked baby!

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Even though its just a movie, I think that Collateral gave a good example where a LOADED gun saved his life...his other hand was busy pushing the BGs gun away.

Also, if you are not carrying with one in the chamber, there is a possibilty, no matter how remote, of Murphy smiling on you as you have a jam when loading it. I want things to be as simple and streamlined as possible, and for me, CL is that.
 
Like I said much earlier, I am not going to diss anyone about the way they carry.

For me, I just realized:

1) I can carry it C&L safely
2) I put it in the safe and hide the key on ME until bedtime
3) If I ever have to employ the gun, it will be an emergency with no time to spare.
4) If ever in a fight for life, my left hand (I am a right handed person) will probably be used for some sort of defense.
5) If I have to chamber a round in a fight....at the very minimum....I have to take my mental attention off the bad guy or guys if not my eyes off them also.
6) If in an emergency, I will probably short cycle the slide and jam myself.

JMHO.

Not dissing anyone who carries differently, just discussing.

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I was going to post a longer message, but newarcher more or less said what I wanted to say. ;)

I'll just add that I carry a Kahr MK9 with one in the chamber (I guess that's "condition zero", as there's no safety). Given that time, money, and resources are limited, I do not train to carry it "Israeli-style", nor do I intend to. I do agree that military forces do things in certain ways for certain reasons, and those reasons are not always applicable to civilian self-defense situations. And also, given the small size/relative 'tightness' of the Kahr, I'd be worried that I'd screw something up if trying to chamber a round in a panic situation.

If someone wants to carry a different way, then they are an adult and are free to do what they wish per their own values and judgments, particularly with respect to their own skill level/personal comfort level -- not to mention the peculiarities of their equipment.

And I would also agree that the idea that there is "one right way" to do anything in every context is fatuous.
 
newarcher, had you posted your succinct and cogent response before, I wouldn't have flapped my gums the way I did with my previous posts :D
 
2) I put it in the safe and hide the key on ME until bedtime
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Good.
And I sincerely hope that you never make a mistake.
Because all it takes is for you to not close that safe all the way...or take the key off just for a minute...just once.

3) If I ever have to employ the gun, it will be an emergency with no time to spare.
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Time enough for you to get your pistol out of your safe, but not time enough to chamber a round???:confused:

4) If ever in a fight for life, my left hand (I am a right handed person) will probably be used for some sort of defense.
5) If I have to chamber a round in a fight....at the very minimum....I have to take my mental attention off the bad guy or guys if not my eyes off them also.
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No, you chamber a round right when you determine that you had better get your pistol...not after you are already fighting or confronting the possible threat.

For example:
You hear a noise in the night that wakes you.
You pick up your pistol, chamber a round, and investigate the source of the noise.

6) If in an emergency, I will probably short cycle the slide and jam myself.
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Not likely.
But if you think that you might then you need to practice more.



I wonder...do you keep your rifles and shotguns cocked-and-locked 24/7?
 
"I wonder...do you keep your rifles and shotguns cocked-and-locked 24/7?"

I do. Theres no reason not to.

I disagree with putting the guns into the safe. The safest place is on you. I dont have kids, so when I wake up, I reach over, get my pistol, and put it on. Sometimes you just dont have time, especially if you get ambushed.

Call me paranoid, but you can be paranoid and wrong plenty of times....or you might be fighting for your life next time.
 
cocked and locked

I often felt uneasy carrying a 1911 cocked . I felt the safety could get pushed down and the trigger could be bumped on the draw. but having the beavertail safety and pondering that all three could happen at the same time I feel safe carrying this way(cocked).
However before I decided to carry this way I did some research. I discovered that the Masada carry with the chamber empty. and through their training and more training they become wickedly fast on the draw and fire.
If you are seriously looking for a way to carry find a video of their training.
 
If you figure the chances that a 1 or 2 sec additional time will mean your demise, it is SO small it becomes personal choice and comfort if you carry C&L or not. The chances are great none of us will ever even once need to pull our guns. 80% of those very unlikely times, the BG flees. That leaves 20% of a likely-never shooting event. Out of THAT, the number dependent on not having 1 sec to spare becomes so small as to be meaningless as far as worrying about consequences. Do you worry your that brakes will fail AND your emergency brake fails at the same time? And make choices in your life dependent on that happening?
 
Do you worry your that brakes will fail AND your emergency brake fails at the same time? And make choices in your life dependent on that happening?

The same with the 3 safeties on the 1911...thumb, grip and trigger pull.
 
and more so with arguments over C&L. It is personal choice and comfort. (Not YOURS, the other persons'.)
 
"I carry my 1911 cocked and locked safety off."
Actually, that's cocked and UNlocked. Some German security units employ this mode of carry. Just have a holster that covers the trigger and keep yer booger hook off'n the bang switch until showtime. I once carried my Makarov for 3 days before realizing the hammer was cocked, and there's no C&L option for a Mak.
 
Well, son of Vlad....

Just like fine art or a nicely aged bottle of wine.....perfection takes time my friend.

I was pacing myself! ;)

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Good.
And I sincerely hope that you never make a mistake.
Because all it takes is for you to not close that safe all the way...or take the key off just for a minute...just once.
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And the kid has to find the key while it's off, and he has to evade dad, and get the key in the door, and grab the gun.

Now if your kid is tracking you all day long to get the key the instant it comes off so he can grab your LOADED gun and play with it...well the fact that you have a loaded gun in the house is not the REAL issue.

No safety plan is foolproof but if you're clocking a guy for having 2 safes, 2 keys and educated kids you're just an argumentative SOB and nothing will help you see anyones point ever.
 
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No safety plan is foolproof but if you're clocking a guy for having 2 safes, 2 keys and educated kids you're just an argumentative SOB and nothing will help you see anyones point ever.


NO, this is NOT good. It all depends on no human error ever occurring, while at the same time involving the lives of children; and no we are not argumentative nor SOBs for bringing up these concerns, and YOU have no right calling anyone a SOB, especially from the safety of your keyboard... Grow-up.

You should be off the forums for this kind of belligerent nonsense.
 
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No safety plan is foolproof but if you're clocking a guy for having 2 safes, 2 keys and educated kids you're just an argumentative SOB and nothing will help you see anyones point ever.
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YOU have no right calling anyone a SOB, especially from the safety of your keyboard... Grow-up.

You should be off the forums for this kind of belligerent nonsense.
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and...

Another one bites the dust. Closed.
 
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