Christopher Dorner is only ONE man.

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I would not be worried about it coming out that Dorner was unjustly fired and his complaints justified.

Whatever his initial justification may have been, to begin whacking the children of cops and then cops nullifies whatever high ground he may have sought. Even if he WAS a victim of racism, unjustly fired, and his complaints all true, once he begins wasting people all of that no longer matters.

Just MHO. YMMV.
 
Folk Hero?

The LAPD have many more people that have no love for them and I'm wondering will Mr. Dorner become a folk hero in the same way Eric Rudolph became a hero in the Blue Ridge?
My bet is Dorner is nowhere near the place that burnt out truck and camping gear was found.
 
Anyone see the thing about Feinstein asking for EVERYONE (civilians and LE) to lay down their weapons, because if they do he will stop and turn himself in- "human nature" I believe was the term used.
 
I just read a copy of his "manifesto" on a yahoo link. He may have been wronged but he rambles on like a meth head. And I agree that once he starts murdering children & cops it doesn't matter why.
And by the way, Feinstein is an idiot.
 
The social context of this will be very complicated. That's my genius insight.

He will enjoy some 'fan' base - that's just the way some people will react.

Ain't the world - fun?
 
I had one question about his manifesto, though. He claims that he was able to avoid a background check when purchasing his suppressor by using an NFA trust. But if I'm understanding the law correctly, he's either lying, or the company that sold him the suppressor broke the law.

I thought that setting up an NFA trust just did away with the requirement for a local LEO to sign off on your application, but you still had to go through the BATFE background check and months of waiting.

But Dorner is making it sound like he walked into the Vegas gun store ("Lock n' Load") with money and NFA trust paperwork and walked out with a suppressor.
 
ScottRiqui-

I use a trust for all my NFA stuff, and there is still a background check. You are correct in thinking that all the trust does is let you skip the CLEO sign off and fingerprint part (usually for those of us that the CLEO won't sign).

The process is:
1. Get your trust
2. Go to gun store and purchase NFA item
3. Store either gives you the Form 4 at that point to mail to BATFE, or you give the store a $200 check and they mail it all for you. Either way, a packet of your paperwork gets sent to the BATFE and the only thing you "walk away" with that day is a reciept.
4. Wait 6 months(approx). During this time the NFA item WILL NOT leave the dealer.
5. BATFE finishes processing the Form 4 and mails it to dealer. Dealer calls you and says come pick it up.
6. Go to gun store, they'll give you the background check form the same as if you were purchasing a firearm. After all, the government calls silencers Title II weapons- which are regarded as firearms. Once that NICS check clears, they'll hand over the Form 4 complete with stamp and the NFA item.

Hope that helps. A little long, but I tried to break it down into an easy-to-follow process. Interesting though, I had no idea he was using a silencer/suppressor.
 
Thanks so much - that clears up a lot. So what's going on during the ~6 months that the ATF has your Form 4? Is there any kind of background check being performed, or are they just shuffling around paper?
 
It is suggested that because he was fired that he shouldn't have been able to own guns:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cap-guns-20130207,0,2714385.column

This speaks to the thought police. The author feels that since he was police and fired for making a charge that wasn't supported - he should have been identified as a dangerous rogue. He also demonstrated some aftereffects of his service.

Thus, he was disqualified to own guns in the authors view. The article also speaks to differential standards for federal disqualification based on criminal behavior vs. that of California.

The nuance is that he was police? If he had shown the same signs and gotten fired from a company - seize firearms.

Of course, we have no sympathy for him but the suggestion that we had enough info to predict what would happen years later is not supported and leads to the Psychological or Psychiatric thought police.
 
Scottriqui-

What I've been told by a few dealers is that it's more administrative filing on their end. They don't actually ever do a background check of the individual.

The whole time it just sits on the shelf at the dealer, although some dealers will allow "conjugal visits" where you can shoot it if there's a range on-site. But they'll take your ID while you're using it.

The only background check that's ever been done on me for NFA stuff is when I actually go to pick it up. Again, from what I've been told by guys that do transfers for me is that the BATFE and NICS are two totally different animals.
 
...the suggestion that we had enough info to predict what would happen years later is not supported and leads to the Psychological or Psychiatric thought police.
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Agreed. "Hindsight is always 20/20", as they say. But the people who claim that "we should have seen this coming" are ignoring the fact that for every shooter, there are thousands of other men who have similar backgrounds and experiences, and they *didn't* become homicidal lunatics.

If these same people had to predict *beforehand* who the violent crazies would be, I suspect their accuracy would be pretty poor.
 
Again, from what I've been told by guys that do transfers for me is that the BATFE and NICS are two totally different animals.
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The NICS system is run by the FBI, which is a different agency than the BATFE.
 
So the background investigation for buying NFA gear isn't any different from buying a "regular" firearm, and the months-long waiting period is just a paperwork/admin drill?
 
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The AWB Has a New Supporter

He is big and in the news. A former cop and military officer too.

Jordan Dorner claims that he would not have gone on his murderous rampage if an AWB had been in place. Stunning really when you consider his crimes.


Might want to skip down to pages 10-11. While the ravings of an obssesed lunatic this point is getting absolutely no coverage. Although it does answer one question I have wondered about the murderers so far as their position on gun control. We will put him well into the anti camp.

http://documents.latimes.com/christopher-dorner-manifesto/

If you had a well written AWB, this would not happen. The time is now to reinstitute a ban that will save lives.
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Thousands of more words at the link. Throws support behind Feinstein and Christie too (and lots of others).
 
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