Chambering/Unloading rounds daily. Bad???

I make quite a few springs, myself. And I know a little about them-more than some people, apparently.
If you read Wolff's info, you will see that they are rather ambiguous about springs "wearing out."
Didn't mean to hijack this thread.
Repeatedly rechambering ammunition can cause bullet setback. Setback is bad. Watch for it, and discard any ammunition that has a shorter than normal OAL.
 
simple question

Did the OP ever say why he needed to chamber and unchamber a round so much for? I guess that is the question on my mind. what would cause you to constantly load and unload a gun multiple times a day/week?:confused:
 
Did the OP ever say why he needed to chamber and unchamber a round so much for? I guess that is the question on my mind. what would cause you to constantly load and unload a gun multiple times a day/week?
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As stated in my original post, I live on a military base which = no concealed carry/no loaded guns while in your vehicle/mags must be in separate compartment within the vehicle; preferably locked compartments, but the regs say separating them without locking is sufficient.

In another thread in this same forum, I've posted the question of using SWC lead bullets as my practice rounds and my SD/HD rounds... Think I'm just gonna go that route and avoid the matter of "bullet setback" altogether. If my CCW rounds are the same as my practice rounds, I'll be able to burn the ones I've been carrying all week without cringing...

Yes: I am a cheapskate... And yes, I'm pretty sure that a 165gr .40 cal SWC traveling at 1400 fps out of my 10mm and 1100 fps out of my .40S&W will effectively neutralize just about any threat...
 
jgcoastie,

Do you have any extra mags? If so, you can keep one loaded with premium ammo for defense and put it in the gun after loading the first round from a different magazine. In my earlier post I said that first round could be a cheaper JHP, like WWB. It could also be one of your practice SWC rounds. You wouldn't be giving up that much and your follow up shot, if needed woudl be one of the premuim rounds. To unload simply eject the mag full of premium stuff and eject the practice round. To reload insert your practice mag load a round and then switch mags.

BTW, thanks for your service to the country!
 
Either don't chamber a round, or "don't" re-chamber the same round over and over again.

Or chamber a fresh cheap target round every time for the first shot, and once you un-chambered that round, keep it with the already been chambered rounds, and shoot them on your next range trip.

Just an idea.
 
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I live on a military base, so when I carry out in town I have to pull over and unload before I get to the gate.
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Move off post. Seriously. Any serious shooter in the military should not live on post with all of their stupid rules about gun safety. Constantly unloading and reloading is more likely to cause you to have an ND while clearing or a kaboom from bullet setback. How is that safe? :confused:
 
Springs do not wear out, unless compressed or stretched past their elastic limit, or are improperly designed or improperly heat treated.
Whether you think not does not make it so.
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My "opinion" was based on research (including various indications of "spring fatigue" as referenced by the likes of Massad Ayoob) and not merely "thought up." I guess such "experts" need to be informed that they are way off base, so they themselves will no longer have the need to worry. :rolleyes:

Well, I guess if you and Mr. Layman (as per your referenced article) say so..it must be true. Regardless, its still a good idea to rotate ammo (as per this article..among others...not just my own opinion).

Either way, when it comes to handguns or shotguns used for HD, Id just assume being safe than sorry. But, enough about this spring business. If nothing else, it has certainly been shown that constant spring pressure can have a negative affect on ammo, over the long term.

Thanks for the advice.
 
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My opinion is based on facts and much experience.
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Then my God man, tell these other "experts" that they are just plain wrong so the rest of us "inexperienced" folks wont fall for such tripe! :)

Seriously though, I will choose to remain cautiously optimistic on this one, but will take your thoughts into consideration regarding the springs. After all, Im not nearly as close-minded as I sound. ;)

However, cycling ammo cannot be a bad thing...for the ammo at least. This, I will continue to do as scheduled.
 
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Move off post. Seriously. Any serious shooter in the military should not live on post with all of their stupid rules about gun safety.
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Easier for you to say than for me to do. Any idea what the costs of housing, electricity, water, sewage, garbage, not to mention the real wallet-grabber: heating oil are up here??? A heckuva lot more than the $1600 BAH I would get if I lived off-base... How is moving off-base into a house I can't afford the best for my young family?

Constantly unloading and reloading is more likely to cause you to have an ND while clearing or a kaboom from bullet setback. How is that safe?
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Not likely. If you can't trust yourself with a loaded gun, then why do you carry one? I'm comfortable with it and I use the methods taught to me by my instructors at the MLEA and every other CG SAI that I've shot under. Keep your trigger finger along the slide until you're ready to fire. This rule applies in all circumstances whether holstering or unholstering or anything else. If there's something in your guns path that can possibly pull the trigger; move it or find a different method of carrying.
 
Easier for you to say than for me to do. Any idea what the costs of housing, electricity, water, sewage, garbage, not to mention the real wallet-grabber: heating oil are up here???
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Let me modify my original suggestion. Get reassigned to CGAS Elizabeth City, then move off post. :)
If you can't trust yourself with a loaded gun, then why do you carry one?
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If you are cognizant of the fact that you are more likely to have an ND when clearing, you're halfway there. But if you have a .01% chance of having an ND while clearing, then clearing the gun 1000 times gives you a 10% chance of having an ND somewhere along the line. Given the amount of clearing you do, you would have a 10% chance of having an ND within the next five years. It only takes one little brain fart; trust me, I know. :eek: Given my completely made up .01% chance (84% of statistics are made up, 68% of the population knows that :D), my clearing rate of once per month for cleaning means I wouldn't hit the 10% chance of having one until I turn 114.
 
If you are cognizant of the fact that you are more likely to have an ND when clearing, you're halfway there
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I actually practice clearing each gun I have with snap caps and be sure I don't let it become too automatic.. take it slow, get a good grip on the before you rack the slide and keep away from the trigger :)
 
- I'm not an airdale, so AIRSTA E-City is out of the question. I'm a sea dog. I'm only 'at home' on one of two things; an open range or open water.

- I'm fully aware of the probability of an AD/ND (personally I really prefer ND, because nothing is accidental, but some people frown on being called out). It's because I understand the probability that makes me even more cautious. Everything is done slow and steady.

1. Carefully draw weapon with full combat grip with trigger finger along slide
2. Carefully eject magazine
3. Carefully pull slide rearward
4. Lock slide in rear position
5. "Push - Pull" to ensure the weapon is clear
6. Place weapon in glove compartment
7. Retrieve ejected round and insert into magazine
8. Place magazine in center console

It should be known that all of this takes place while I am outside of my parked vehicle. I would never attempt to clear my weapon while driving, especially with the weather up here most of the year.
 
Then my God man, tell these other "experts" that they are just plain wrong so the rest of us "inexperienced" folks wont fall for such tripe!
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I think I'll still go with the folks that have been designing and making springs for decades and have made a few million of them, like Wollf. Of course, as you point out, various other "experts", like some of the top custom gun makers, also say that springs wear out.
 
I have been telling every one. Then someone else comes on here, and furthers the myth.
If springs wear out, they are: stressed past their elastic limit, improperly designed, or improperly heat treated. Blanket statement? Yes, but it's true.
Why don't the valve springs in your car wear out? Why don't the suspension springs wear out (if you don't overload them?) Do you put your car on blocks to "save" your suspension?
Improperly designed guns can over stress springs. Some guns are designed to compromise springs for concealibilty-Rohrbaugh comes to mind. Some improperly designed magazines that attempt to stuff too many rounds in can overstress springs.
At some point, springs will work harden and then break, but they don't get weak.
But- in properly designed guns, properly designed and manufactured springs DON'T WEAR OUT!
If properly made springs wear out, wouldn't ALL similar springs wear out at the same round count? Hmmm... Wouldn't revolver springs wear out? Hmmm.... You don't ever hear about that, do you? Can you explain the countless 150 year old springs that I have seen that functioned fine? Have any of you made 4-5 springs per week for 10 years like I have?
So- come on. PROVE to me that springs wear out.
 
But- in properly designed guns, properly designed and manufactured springs DON'T WEAR OUT!
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Sure seems strange that all those folks who are making springs and building guns say just the opposite. And if springs don't wear out, why do so many of them need to be replaces?
If properly made springs wear out, wouldn't ALL similar springs wear out at the same round count?
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You mean like so many of those guns where the factory says to replace certain springs every thousand (or whatever number) rounds? Sounds a lot lilke similar springs wearing out at the same time. Why would the folks that make the guns suggest replacing the springs if they never wear out? Why do military armorers regularly have to replace various springs in firearms if they do not wear out?
Wouldn't revolver springs wear out?
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You mean like all those SA Army springs that have needed to be replaced over the years because they have worn out?
Sorry, Bill, I usually go along with you on technical stuff, but the weight of the evidence seems very much against you on this one.
 
Sorry, Bill, I usually go along with you on technical stuff, but the weight of the evidence seems very much against you on this one.
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I've seen factory motorcycle springs wear out, but there usually are cheaper made springs to keep the price of the bike down, and they can be replaced with much better aftermarket springs. Weather those will wear out? Not before the motorcycle or the rider I'm sure. But will they wear out ever? I don't know but I'm sure they would.
 
I bought a p-90 magazine from a guy who sold off his p-90 years ago for an 80's car and made a profit on the trade apparently. Works fine for me, its been 20 years since that mag was made? I keep it under pressure and I don't switch out rounds in my mags but once every few months. They all shoot fine, so do the bullets.
 
"Set Backs" thrown away ? your kiddin me, the only time you throw ammo away is when it comes out the business end of my gun. As far as any problems from unloading and reloading all the time may be a callus on your thumb.;)
 
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