Regardless of what the law says where the original poster lives, to carry against employer's rules could be a firing offense (as others have mentioned). However, there is a followup issue that others have not mentioned: Getting fired for something like this could ruin your entire career.
Carrying at work even though its against policy
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Most bosses are prohibited from saying why you got fired nowadays. At most, they can say that you worked there and if you would be hired again; that's a stretch. Usually the most info that can be givin
Most many places allowed to give only the employment dates. If someone is saying why you were fired, you might have a complaint. I've been in the positi to receive those calls from former employees prospective bosses, and what you can say is very limited.
Most many places allowed to give only the employment dates. If someone is saying why you were fired, you might have a complaint. I've been in the positi to receive those calls from former employees prospective bosses, and what you can say is very limited.
silverbullet6oh
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Research your laws
This is what I live by for my "fixed place of business" here in Washington State:
RCW 9.41.050
Carrying firearms.
(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.
I DO NOT encourage anyone to break their companies policies.
I will say, as I have stated in other threads, that I would much rather be terminated for carrying, than begging for my life because of a work policy.
This is what I live by for my "fixed place of business" here in Washington State:
RCW 9.41.050
Carrying firearms.
(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.
I DO NOT encourage anyone to break their companies policies.
I will say, as I have stated in other threads, that I would much rather be terminated for carrying, than begging for my life because of a work policy.
I really feel that we are making recommendations that may be OK for us but may not be OK or even legal for the OP. The OP needs to check their state's and city's laws and then discuss it with their employer. Only they can make a decision. For example in Florida it is a felony to carry in a medical facility that treats mentally unstable people. Most medical facilities have this option. In Florida you will be charges and will most likely loose you right to carry or even own a gun. Don't take it too lightly. I know this is contrary to most folks advice but I would err on the side of legality and caution.
One thing that could help the original poster is to point out the dangers of the "sidewalk people" and ask the employer to provide escort or security for your safety. If they don't and something happens the should realize the operate in a litigious society.
One thing that could help the original poster is to point out the dangers of the "sidewalk people" and ask the employer to provide escort or security for your safety. If they don't and something happens the should realize the operate in a litigious society.
Nothing is to stop an employer from saying such a statement for no good reason either. You might have been the greatest employee ever, and gave proper notice, and the guy is bitter because you left. That's why it's very limited now.
Back to the subject: this is the bane of the existence of the concealed carrier, you have a license and still may have to leave your weapon at home or in your car.
Back to the subject: this is the bane of the existence of the concealed carrier, you have a license and still may have to leave your weapon at home or in your car.
To the OP.
I believe that you are asking the wrong question. It seems to me that you should ask yourself the following:
Is this job worth jeopardizing the life and/or safety of myself or others?
Am I so committed to this job that I am open to the possibility that I may have to kill someone?
Maybe you should look for employment with a safer environment, one that does not put you or others at risk.
I believe that you are asking the wrong question. It seems to me that you should ask yourself the following:
Is this job worth jeopardizing the life and/or safety of myself or others?
Am I so committed to this job that I am open to the possibility that I may have to kill someone?
Maybe you should look for employment with a safer environment, one that does not put you or others at risk.
cyberglock
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Most people worry about what will happen if they get caught with it. What I am more concerned about is, what will happen if I get caught without it?
buck460XVR
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+1. Only other legitimate option I can see is to get company policy changed.
Sometimes finding another job isn't easy. Sometimes the benefits of the present job are greater than other options. That's when even the slightest chance of getting fired for breaking company policy becomes a bigger risk to take. Then to find another job without a positive reference. Easy for others to tell the OP to take that risk. Easy for others to say find another job. The OP has to weigh the risks on both sides and determine what the right path to take is. Legal protesters on the sidewalk would be low on my list of danger. My fear would be the crazy that comes thru the door with a gun.
this actually happened at the company I work for. I am in the corporate office, but heard of the incident in the plant... Second shift. around 3pm - 12 or so... an astranged husband came up to the plant and is able to walk right in any number of doors. He was armed with a pistol and looking for his wife. A second shift supervisor, who was a CHL holder was packing against company policy. He was able somehow to get the guy to leave or surrender.
Obviously company policy would say he is instantly terminated. However, local news made a hero out of the guy so they would have looked pretty bad had they fired him. he got a few minuets of "time out" and that was about it.
Obviously company policy would say he is instantly terminated. However, local news made a hero out of the guy so they would have looked pretty bad had they fired him. he got a few minuets of "time out" and that was about it.
turkeestalker
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I'd say thank his lucky stars, and maybe be worried there's a target painted on his back now. When it comes to health care facilities it probably wouldn't be so easy to dismiss, and could bring criminal charges in addition to termination. Just not worth the gamble to me.
I do understand worrying more about being caught without protection than caught with, but what about being caught after you've been forced to use it. Just too slippery of a slope, and I firmly believe that asking for permission or for protection to be provided is the wiser route to take.
I'm betting that by now Ms. Marie1's head is just about spinning thinking about all of this and choosing how best to deal with it while still dealing with the concern that prompted her to get her conceal carry license to begin with.
cyberglock said:
If your primary concern in life is to have a gun at all times, I'd say that you'd have to be pretty stupid to work in a job or live in an area where it could cost you your livelihood and/or freedom.
It's your life, you get to choose your priorities. Many people do not choose wisely.
What are your other options? You don't have to choose between carrying and being totally defenseless.
I'd also like to ask how much training the OP has had. A request to carry from someone that's got several training certificates might carry more weight with an employer.
One of my inlaws escorts women through lines of protestors to a local clinic. I really admire her moral courage for doing so.
However she didn't just get the job and start right off, she was given a great deal of training.
It might be possible for the OP to get similar training in dealing with harassment from protestors.
I'd also like to ask how much training the OP has had. A request to carry from someone that's got several training certificates might carry more weight with an employer.
One of my inlaws escorts women through lines of protestors to a local clinic. I really admire her moral courage for doing so.
However she didn't just get the job and start right off, she was given a great deal of training.
It might be possible for the OP to get similar training in dealing with harassment from protestors.
silverbullet6oh
New member
The thing is, that unless you are having to use your pistol, then no should even be aware you have it.
So I see it.
Anyways......
So I see it.
Anyways......
Justice06RR
New member
Another option is to carry a taser instead of your ccw if it is expressly permitted at your work.
While your life is more important than your job, you also do not want to risk having criminal charges if caught.
If you still feel your life/safety is more important, speak with the management or owner of the facility and make some sort of arrangement to store your ccw somewhere in the facility.
While your life is more important than your job, you also do not want to risk having criminal charges if caught.
If you still feel your life/safety is more important, speak with the management or owner of the facility and make some sort of arrangement to store your ccw somewhere in the facility.
Carry a can of wasp spray.
Where I work, the handbook clearly states that no firearms are allowed on our property, not on your person, in your car, locker etc.
Many of our employees travel 45 miles to work, others have things to do or places to go to after work etc. So with that said, and knowing that at least half of our employees are CCP holders, I would bet there is a gun in 99% of the vehicles in that lot. Don't ask, don't tell, don't brag about it.
I don't know of anyone stupid enough to carry inside of the building on purpose.
One of my employees accidentally left his LCP in his pocket holster one morning and had to take it back to his truck but no one ever knew except me and him. He only told me because he knows how strongly I disagree with the policy and I'm not a snitch. And I know he has a permit.
My girlfriend works for the federal govt, she can't have a firearm anywhere near her, even in the car.
Where I work, the handbook clearly states that no firearms are allowed on our property, not on your person, in your car, locker etc.
Many of our employees travel 45 miles to work, others have things to do or places to go to after work etc. So with that said, and knowing that at least half of our employees are CCP holders, I would bet there is a gun in 99% of the vehicles in that lot. Don't ask, don't tell, don't brag about it.
I don't know of anyone stupid enough to carry inside of the building on purpose.
One of my employees accidentally left his LCP in his pocket holster one morning and had to take it back to his truck but no one ever knew except me and him. He only told me because he knows how strongly I disagree with the policy and I'm not a snitch. And I know he has a permit.
My girlfriend works for the federal govt, she can't have a firearm anywhere near her, even in the car.
