Carry options: PPQ, P-07 and/or P229

What should I do?

  • Stop being a baby and carry the PPQ, you won't shoot yourself...probably

    Votes: 26 41.3%

  • Buy the P-07 with the intent of purchasing a P229 in the future

    Votes: 17 27.0%

  • Buy the P229 now

    Votes: 20 31.7%
  • Total voters
    63
  • Poll closed .
Yes Sir, I understand what you're saying, and I agree. I have 3 SIG, and know that they are very good. I'm also a precision machinist with 52 years experience.
For other people who are wondering about it, here is a picture, what I borrowed from an other forum.

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It was that tiny little difference that I made my choice from the available choices.

 
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Great picture Metalboy. It illustrates perfectly what I was describing. Still though the Walther PPQ actually has a lower bore axis than the P-07. See this link and post #3 where the two are lined up. The PPQ needs to slide down a little to line up the grip correctly. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=553124

I think all too often some see a thin slide and think automatically low bore axis. While it may true in some cases like the Steyr L/M-A1's, it's not in all cases. Your picture will likely help many visualize how bore axis height is determined.
 
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As for Canik.... I can't believe people buy these for protection. You can get a used firearm from a reputable manufacturer known for being good overall.

I try not to skimp on something that I litterally count my life to, I don't mean any offence, I am sure people are happy with theirs, and for target fun I can't knock it, but I have gotten back too many with issues to ever take them seriously.
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Have had absolutely zero issues with my canik. Not sure how your returns were treated though. I am sure if I never clean mine I could have some issues. Takes and fires any thing I put in the magazine. Not sure why I would not trust it. So far it has the same reliability rate as my 92fs. 100%.

OP: enjoy your cz.
 
I've never been a fan of clones.

As for holsters, I gave Tommy Theis my business. Im waiting on my IWB and "Jake" belt to arrive. He's great to do business with.
 
Thank you very much Worc.
Lots of very informative pictures there.These are the information that we can call facts. Some people have problem shooting top heavy SIG accurately, and doing much better with Glock.
 
I don't find Sigs to be top heavy and have more a neutral balance. My Sphinx SDP (similar to CZ) and Steyr L9-A1 have a top heavy feel to them. Incidentally they both have thinner slides with the Steyr having a very low bore axis. That top heavy feel makes them balance with more weight forward, helping to reduce recoil/muzzle flip. It's all subjective though.
 
What makes a clone bad? It is just using the same control setup and fundementals as a popular brand. Sort of like how a 92fs and S&W are basically the same gun. Slide mounted safety da/sa. Which is the clone?
 
IMHO, weight matters a lot when you CCW. Go with the P07 or the PPQ. The P229 is an awesome firearm...but it is heavy...and it gets heavier as the day goes. You can carry anything to CCW....all the way up to a desert eagle....you just might have to see a chiropractor. I just went to a 10 oz j frame for a CCW.
 
CZ-75D PCR, or P-01. I like the ergos (grip) better than the P-07, but the P-07 is fine if it fits you, and less expensive. No need to go Sig or Walther.
 
Between the three you listed, I would take the P-07, as it actually replaced the PPQ that I had purchased and subsequently sold. But the PPQ would be second choice of those three, with the Sig trailing way behind. Sorry, I just don't care for Sig pistols regardless of what model or how hard I try to like them.

As you can see from the comparison shots in the other post of mine that Worc referenced (Thanks! [emoji106] ), there really isn't much variance in the size of similarly classed pistols. A few fractions of an inch here or there, and the difference in a few ounces (barring steel frame versus polymer or alloy).
 
What makes a clone bad? It is just using the same control setup and fundementals as a popular brand. Sort of like how a 92fs and S&W are basically the same gun. Slide mounted safety da/sa. Which is the clone?

The 92 and SW would just be an example of similar design features. A clone example of the Beretta 92 would be found from manufacturers like Chiappa and Taurus. CZ has it's fair share of clone brands and others like the Sphinx that's based off them.
 
Attend a two day defensive handgun course. You will learn what you need and want in a handgun. Things that may appeal to you in a short range session may turn out to be annoying while running drills all day.
 
Power 5, it matters when the clone is a rip off made poorly m like many original Taurus revolvers from the early 80s, badly made copies of Smith and Wesson revolvers. Some clones are worse, like Khyber Pass knockoffs, but we are spared those over here. Tanfoglio makes a good clone, and have been making good CZ clones for many years.
 
I have never owned a Sig other than the P938. I like CZ's but for my main carry guns, I have moved to striker fired pistols. I don't own any DA/SA weapons anymore. I still love 1911's but don't carry them as much as my striker fired. (main carry gun is my xds). I recently traded my Glock 19 for a Walther PPQ. I am SO happy I did. I may buy a Glock again someday, because they are great guns, but I LOVE my PPQ. Best trigger I have tried on a polymer gun. I carry it occasionally in the winter months. Looking at picking up the 5" and maybe the 22 version.
 
Your poll needs a 4th option----buy the CZ and call it a day.

You won't need to "upgrade" to the more expensive Sig later, because you'll already have high end performance in the P-07, without the blockier receiver and higher bore axis of the Sig.

The CZ is tied for 1st in the race for my next 9mm along with the HK VP9 and followed very closely by the PPQ M2. The only reservation I have about both the VP9 and PPQ is the striker/no safety setup.
 
I agree, just get the CZ and be done with it. I prefer my PCR or the P-01 but the P-07 is a great pistol also, and a good value.
 
One of my favorite carry guns is the SIG Model 227. Though it's on the "big" side, I carry it comfortably and well-concealed all day long in a Galco "King Tuck" iwb holster. It's on the pricey side, I suppose, but I consider it money well spent when you consider the build quality, features and extreme reliability offered in typical SIG pistols.
 
If you can find a range with a Sig P-series with an SRT trigger group in it, I highly suggest renting it and giving it a run.

The SRT transforms the Sig P-series from an iconic battleship of a handgun to a finely tuned racehorse. Short, crisp, positive reset with an extremely clean break.
 
...just stating MOST of my customers end up switching for something smaller, easier to carry.
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Yep... PPQ is hard to beat in any role... so...

I also suggest handling many of the great and smaller single-stack 9's (or even 380's) that are out there now... and much dreamier to carry IMHO.
 
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