Carbine for Home Defense

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Carbines have been used for HD for a long time. It's not a new concept and we can argue and interject all day about which is better. I call a tie. Lets face it, first rule of gun fighting is to have a gun. Preferably a reliable one. Take care of that one and you are 90% there regardless of caliber (including rimfires). After that action and caliber come into play. When you debate between carbine or short shotgun you are really debating between the 2 best out of hundreds of options and either one gets you to 99.9% towards perfection. The .01% is because nothing is perfect 100% of the time.

So if you like a shotgun, Use it and be happy. If you like a carbine, use it and be happy. So close it's a coin flip.

LK
 
Try holding a phone and a flashlight while aiming that carbine...in the dark...
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Weapon light = Problem solved.:cool:

No one ever mentions this when people are talking about AR's:confused:

The idea of not haveing a free hand on the phone is a problem though. But I've always felt that if the situation really "goes south" your going to be dropping the phone to have both hands on your weapon anyway.
 
This one's my HD choice.

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Still de-gunned, so I don't have anything. Thanks for all the info. After the Burglary Scare, I've been talking to my parents about security more. And since they soon won't have a knowledgeable gun nut around to protect the home, they've agreed to go with my loud bb gun solution. Non-lethal, but still hopefully enough to dissuade a robber. I managed to get some alarms wired to it that'll produce a pretty severe racket should it ever be fired.
 
microman said:
Carbine for Home Defense

Out of a 16 barrel a 9mm +p can reach the same levels as a 6in .357
Magnum...without the blast and noise.

What does everyone think about this?
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Your home's environment is a factor to consider. One of the reasons that many like a shotgun (in addition to raw kinetic energy transfer and less critical aiming criteria) is less of an over-penetration issue through walls, compared to a carbine or deer rifle which may go through several neighbors' walls.
 
chris in va brought up an excellent point. How about a bright light?

People sometimes don't realize that family members have been killed by mistake, when the gun owner doesn't expect a son or daughter to return home a night early, and sneak down a very dark hallway. She died in her father's arms.

I sometimes left lights off upon return when I was young, but my Dad had no gun and would have never reacted with
Mindless Hysteria as many people have done because of some sounds.

Last year or so a guy heard the garage hallway door open late, in the dark. Bam...His fiance was supposed to be in the bedroom, but died bringing something from her car.

Our brand-new security systems goes off for unknown reasons (no wind, bolted front doors, sleeping cats).
But the caliber is always the important issue.
 
I like Steve's choice.

Yes, I have AR's, an 870 and pistols, but the M1 Carbine is light, fast and almost as quick and handy to grab in the middle of the night as a pistol. And I believe DPX may bery well eliminate any stopping power issues--especially considering how fast you can accurately put shots on target with point shooting. It was the GI's favorite house to house gun for a reason--with ball ammo, no less.:cool:

And when the smoke clears, you may even have some ear drums left.:)
 
Don't overthink the hardware. Sure the Berette would make a fine weapon for HD. Instead of worrying about what hardware woould be better, learn and train with the hardware chosen so that your software is best suited to deploy it.
 
As others have said, it all comes down to what you are comfortable with, the layout of your home, whether or not you will barricade yourself in a safe room (no kids) or if you have to go out and do a full or partial room clearing to get to other family members.

So many variables, so there really is no one perfect solution for everyone. If the carbine works best for your environment, go for it. If it's a handgun, great. Shotgun, that works too.

I do have a son, so there would be a partial house clearing to get to his room. However, my floor plan is extremely open with lots of open spaces, so I'll be carrying my trusty Mossberg 590 while my wife carries a S&W 686 and a cell phone. In effect, my son's room becomes the safe room.

Yeah, not as ideal as staying put, but when you have a 4 year old you don't have a lot of choice in the matter.
 
Instead of worrying about what hardware woould be better, learn and train with the hardware chosen so that your software is best suited to deploy it.
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LOL, Doesn't one first have to "worry" about what "hardware" to choose so he'll have something to train with? ;)
 
Rifles and carbines tend to overpenetrate. A shotgun, not so much. You don't want to shoot your kids in the next room while they are sleeping.

No assault rifle use in the house for me.
 
LOL, Doesn't one first have to "worry" about what "hardware" to choose so he'll have something to train with?
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LOL of course just don't overthink it like I said in my first sentence.
I actually prefer having both a carbine and a shotgun avaliable for HD but I don't get wrapped up in which ones I put in the two gun rack I built in my closet. I sleep equally as well with the AR/870 combo as I do with the trapper length rossi 44 and the coach gun.
 
Collateral Damage

Before you choose a home defense weapon survey the area, neighbors, construction, floorplan.

Define "Home Defense" for your particular situation and location.

A druggy needs maximum firepower to defend himself against law and other druggy's with no consideration for "Collateral Damage".

The average family only needs a 6" 22 revolver with Rat Shot in the first chamber, the baddest toughest meanest man in the world will cover both eyes and cry like a baby with a face full of rat shot close range, he's blind, pump five hollow points in him or thump him over the head with a hammer until the law arrives.

Remember, missed shots go through walls and can kill your own kids sleeping in the next room.

People survive headshots from 9mm's, body shots from 223's, can still return fire after loosing a leg from a grenade attack, no one can do you any damage with a face full of CCI MiniMag rat shot.
 
A druggy needs maximum firepower to defend himself against law and other druggy's with no consideration for "Collateral Damage".

The average family only needs a 6" 22 revolver with Rat Shot in the first chamber, the baddest toughest meanest man in the world will cover both eyes and cry like a baby with a face full of rat shot close range, he's blind, pump five hollow points in him or thump him over the head with a hammer until the law arrives.

Remember, missed shots go through walls and can kill your own kids sleeping in the next room.

People survive headshots from 9mm's, body shots from 223's, can still return fire after loosing a leg from a grenade attack, no one can do you any damage with a face full of CCI MiniMag rat shot.
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This is some of the worst advice I've ever read. A home defense plan that is completely dependent upon getting off a shot into the attacker's face isn't even worth discussing.
 
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