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This entire thread is nothing but a PETA fostered crock of you know what.
Canned Hunts
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orchidhunter
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Art, Wayne Pacelle is still President & CEO of the HSUS, but the members run it, about like the members of the NRA run it. Poor Old Fred The Hog was killed on a Canned Hunt. Would it make you mad if I told the story of the YO Ranch sometime. orchidhunter
StiveC2007
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canned hunts are a joke, almost as bad as the whole remote controlled hunting that hit the media a couple years ago. it takes the whole wild out of hunting. IMO its like hunting a pet(its fed and kept in an enclosed area) worst part about it is that the animals doesnt have a way to get away and many are there for put an take hunting. and some of these animals are bred for this only and have no survival mechinism for enduring nature so they would end up dying anyways
freakintoguns
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another vote for the YO Ranch story.
phil mcwilliam
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You have to define what a canned hunt exactly is. I just returned "empty handed" from a weeks guided deer hunt on a cattle property that had a deer proof perimeter fence. This privately owned cattle property in South Australia spans over 400,000 acres.
We pay to go on propeties here in Aussie land gererally 50,000+ acres. There is no gurantee of animals but hey that is where the "hunt" comes into it.... There are properties where they gurantee animals but the big fees do apply.
My mates just got back from a property in Queensland with a total of 25 pigs and a bundle of rabbits. It cost them $30 a night plus a couple boxes of fruit. They had shearer sheds, running water and freezers for there meat.
That was shooting only no dogs, if they hads dogs the numbers would have been trippled.
My best mate shot a 13 point red stag in South Australia last year cost was fuel, food and supplies.
A bloke from work just got back from New Zealand, he went for red deer. He shot a 15 pointer, cost him $4500 including airfares. Animal was not a gurantee too.
I suppose each to their own.
My mates just got back from a property in Queensland with a total of 25 pigs and a bundle of rabbits. It cost them $30 a night plus a couple boxes of fruit. They had shearer sheds, running water and freezers for there meat.
That was shooting only no dogs, if they hads dogs the numbers would have been trippled.
My best mate shot a 13 point red stag in South Australia last year cost was fuel, food and supplies.
A bloke from work just got back from New Zealand, he went for red deer. He shot a 15 pointer, cost him $4500 including airfares. Animal was not a gurantee too.
I suppose each to their own.
wyobohunter
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So... Flowerpicker
Are you a vegetarian? If you aren't, do you only eat meat you have earned in fair chase hunting? Oh, by the way, what exactly would you consider fair chase? Until you honestly answer these questions I can't begin to take you or any silly thing you may post seriously. If you are a vegetarian at least you aren't a hypocrit, your just posting on the wrong forum.
Are you a vegetarian? If you aren't, do you only eat meat you have earned in fair chase hunting? Oh, by the way, what exactly would you consider fair chase? Until you honestly answer these questions I can't begin to take you or any silly thing you may post seriously. If you are a vegetarian at least you aren't a hypocrit, your just posting on the wrong forum.
I lease 1765 acres here in NC, about three miles long and not so wide. Bucks have a finger print on top of their head during hunting season. You see the same bucks in the same area. Matter of fact the bucks on one side of the lease have a fork horn type rack that you don't see on the other side. I suspect we could narrow it down in the eastern US to anything over 1000 acres fenced would be good to keep coyotes and trespassers out, but wouldn't help you much hunting. In the open west that would increase. But, a 50,000 acre fenced in area being a "canned hunt"? Take your back pack and rifle and go get yourself some of it.
phil mcwilliam
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Last year when I hunted in Africa I was disappointed when seeing the fences surrounding the concession I was hunting, although my initial apprehension was gone once I realised the 30,000 acres was big enough for even giraffes to hide in. Canned hunts had only been banned in South Africa a few years prior to my trip. My guide actually took me to a place where they previously had canned hunts for lion. The 100 yard x 100 yard enclosure resembled an oversized tennis court with high wire mesh fencing with the top 3 ft angled 45 degrees inwards intertwined with razor wire - not my idea of a fair hunt. My guide explained now that for hunting lion in South Africa a "game ranch" must be over 3,000 acres & the lion if imported to the area must be released at least 12 months prior to hunting. I think there is a need to manage wildlife resources in every part of the world, but unfortunately there will always be stories of "arnold" the pig.
I've hunted on a 3500 acre high fence place, and I promise you that fence gives you no "guarantees".
the only thing that fence does, is keep the deer from jumping a fence and getting shot by neighbors who think a 1.5 year old 11 pointer is a real trophy.
as for "canned" hunts, (if anyone could actually define what that is) isn't my cup of tea.... but why is it any worse than a slaughterhouse for the ultimate end (i.e dead animal)? I'd guess some of you guys complaining about canned hunts have never seen how it goes down in a meat market or slaughterhouse...
the only thing that fence does, is keep the deer from jumping a fence and getting shot by neighbors who think a 1.5 year old 11 pointer is a real trophy.
as for "canned" hunts, (if anyone could actually define what that is) isn't my cup of tea.... but why is it any worse than a slaughterhouse for the ultimate end (i.e dead animal)? I'd guess some of you guys complaining about canned hunts have never seen how it goes down in a meat market or slaughterhouse...
fisherman66
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I don't feel like playing huckleberry with you so I ain't gonna do the math, but I'd GUESS the average acreage of the list I posted is well over 10,000 acres and many don't have a single fence. Please narrow the list down to the ones that are high fenced and under say 100 acres so I can write my state rep and ask that the TPWD withdrawl their contract with those canned hunts.
My general impression is that these types of hunts seem like someone is buying bragging rights to that trophy on the wall.
I think I'd have to see it first hand to decide if I felt it was "real" hunting or just a shooting gallery.
Either way I'm not going to move to shut it down but I doubt I'd have a very high approval rating for the folks who participate. Seems to me that sometimes there really is a right way to do things and I'm not sure "canned" hunts are it.
This being a completely different matter from sustenance hunting in which case I'm for anything that puts meat on the table.
I think I'd have to see it first hand to decide if I felt it was "real" hunting or just a shooting gallery.
Either way I'm not going to move to shut it down but I doubt I'd have a very high approval rating for the folks who participate. Seems to me that sometimes there really is a right way to do things and I'm not sure "canned" hunts are it.
This being a completely different matter from sustenance hunting in which case I'm for anything that puts meat on the table.
Art Eatman
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Post #51 gave a good idea of what a "canned hunt" area is. They had similar problems in Arkansas a few years back, and such nastiness was outlawed there, as well. Then there was the celebrated Jimmy Houston canned shooting up north, which was discussed both here and at THR. But these were anomalous events, and have been dealt with.
As for the YO, it's much smaller than when Capt. Charles Schreiner first took up some half-million acres. When Charley III was running it as a hunting ranch, it was down to some 50,000 acres. The gate lock's combination was changed every month, starting with .25-35 and going on up to .45-70.
Two of Charley III's ex-wives had an antique store in Austin. They both agreed, "I love him, but I just couldn't stay married to him." They'd both go to the ranch as hostesses for gatherings there. Bobby Snow was ranch manager, back then. His wife had a couple of cougars and a couple of jaguars in a little zoo-llike deal. Hal Matheny, Jerome Alexander and a guy nicknamed "Buttons" were hunting guides there.
So, yeah, I know a little bit about the YO. Charley's dead, now, though, and I've not kept track since they started selling "ranchettes" of a hundred acres or so.
The YO was instrumental in the beginnings of exotics in Texas. They had Sally the eland, who browsed on scrub-oak leaves. Blackbuck antelope and Axis deer. Even a Himalayan mountain sheep (goat?) which could stand flat-footed and jump some eight feet. There was also a sizable herd of longhorns.
But, yeah, orchidhunter, tell us of your eyewitness account of somebody on the YO shooting an animal in a 100'x100' pen. If you didn't see it yourself, or personally know the observer as a reliable witness, don't try to feed us any more non-factual nonsense.
As for the YO, it's much smaller than when Capt. Charles Schreiner first took up some half-million acres. When Charley III was running it as a hunting ranch, it was down to some 50,000 acres. The gate lock's combination was changed every month, starting with .25-35 and going on up to .45-70.
Two of Charley III's ex-wives had an antique store in Austin. They both agreed, "I love him, but I just couldn't stay married to him." They'd both go to the ranch as hostesses for gatherings there. Bobby Snow was ranch manager, back then. His wife had a couple of cougars and a couple of jaguars in a little zoo-llike deal. Hal Matheny, Jerome Alexander and a guy nicknamed "Buttons" were hunting guides there.So, yeah, I know a little bit about the YO. Charley's dead, now, though, and I've not kept track since they started selling "ranchettes" of a hundred acres or so.
The YO was instrumental in the beginnings of exotics in Texas. They had Sally the eland, who browsed on scrub-oak leaves. Blackbuck antelope and Axis deer. Even a Himalayan mountain sheep (goat?) which could stand flat-footed and jump some eight feet. There was also a sizable herd of longhorns.
But, yeah, orchidhunter, tell us of your eyewitness account of somebody on the YO shooting an animal in a 100'x100' pen. If you didn't see it yourself, or personally know the observer as a reliable witness, don't try to feed us any more non-factual nonsense.
Just like these "canned hunts" people have told me about that occur on the king ranch.... most of these people have never set foot on the king, (or any of these other places), and talk about them like they have lifelong first hand experience with them.
even with the sale of the 40-100 acre tracts on the YO, the main outside fence is still in place. the ranchettes are included within the boundary, so the ranch itself being 40K acres +/- is still essentially there.
My problem with people getting on this canned hunt bandwagon, is that some people think 300 acres is canned, some people think 50 acres is canned..some people have no idea how many acres is canned.
The anti hunters don't give a damn HOW many acres we hunt on. They don't like hunting, and they want it all to end. This is the same path as gun control. give them an inch, they will take a mile
even with the sale of the 40-100 acre tracts on the YO, the main outside fence is still in place. the ranchettes are included within the boundary, so the ranch itself being 40K acres +/- is still essentially there.
My problem with people getting on this canned hunt bandwagon, is that some people think 300 acres is canned, some people think 50 acres is canned..some people have no idea how many acres is canned.
The anti hunters don't give a damn HOW many acres we hunt on. They don't like hunting, and they want it all to end. This is the same path as gun control. give them an inch, they will take a mile
This issue has been in the news here in Maine recently, there was an effort to ban "canned" hunts that take place here. The owners of a couple of these outfits actually did a good job of defending themselves and the legislature dropped an attempt to ban this form of hunting.
I wouldn't participate, but if the outfit is well run I don't find it any less ethical than raising stock for slaughter and sale.
I wouldn't participate, but if the outfit is well run I don't find it any less ethical than raising stock for slaughter and sale.
eaglesnester
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Canned hunts
I only hunt wild canny muleys. They are smart and secretive. They are so smart up here in the Northern Interior of B.C. Canada that you could hunt for years and never get on to one.
We also have the farmer fields bucks that you can only access with permission from the landowner. They stand out there on private land in the alfalfa and almost say (here I am come and shoot me) No thanks, I would rather go out locate a willey trophy buck, sneak and peak then take him like a real hunter. Taking a trophy muley is very, very difficult, you got to be very good to get up on one. You can take the canned hunts if that's the way you want to do it but it ante my cup of tea.
I only hunt wild canny muleys. They are smart and secretive. They are so smart up here in the Northern Interior of B.C. Canada that you could hunt for years and never get on to one.
We also have the farmer fields bucks that you can only access with permission from the landowner. They stand out there on private land in the alfalfa and almost say (here I am come and shoot me) No thanks, I would rather go out locate a willey trophy buck, sneak and peak then take him like a real hunter. Taking a trophy muley is very, very difficult, you got to be very good to get up on one. You can take the canned hunts if that's the way you want to do it but it ante my cup of tea.
i still cant get over poor old fred.
sounds like you got some real f-up friends. they probly dump their dogs and cats when their no longer small and cute too.
as for fred a 1000 lb pig, you would need a gun to make him run, he would over heat and stroke out in less than 100yd.:barf:
any one that saw a 9 ft. 1000 lb. pig and thought it was wild is a idot and im glad they are hunting in a enclosed area instead of the woods where i might be.
i raised a lot of hogs growing up an old fred has my bs meter pegging out.
sounds like you got some real f-up friends. they probly dump their dogs and cats when their no longer small and cute too.
as for fred a 1000 lb pig, you would need a gun to make him run, he would over heat and stroke out in less than 100yd.:barf:
any one that saw a 9 ft. 1000 lb. pig and thought it was wild is a idot and im glad they are hunting in a enclosed area instead of the woods where i might be.
i raised a lot of hogs growing up an old fred has my bs meter pegging out.
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