Canned Hunts

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The Story of a Canned Hunt

The Story of Fred the Pig

Fred was raised as a family pet. He grew up in the Alabama hill country on the farm of Phil and Rhonda Blissitt. Phil had given Fred to his wife for a Christmas present, and he was fed and pampered as a dog or cat would be.

But Fred wasn't a dog or cat. He was a domestic pig, and when he grew up, the Blissitts, whom Fred had learned to think of as his family, sold him to the Lost Creek Plantation, a nearby "hunting preserve".

Fred was longer than nine feet long and weighed half a ton. Since Lost Creek charges $1.25 a pound for what they call (inaccurately, in Fred's case) "feral meat hogs," the operators figured to make more than a thousand dollars on Fred.

They turned him loose in a 150-acre fenced enclosure, from which Fred had no chance of escape. On May 3, they sent paying customers Mike Stone and his 11-year-old son, Jamison, into the enclosure to hunt him down.

A Slow Death

Fred had never been wild, and he had never been hunted. People had always been his friends. They had fed him, rubbed his snout, and brought him treats. When he saw Jamison approaching with a pistol, he may have been curious, but nothing more. Then Jamison shot him.

During the pursuit, Jamison shot Fred a total of eight times. Jamison's father and two guides had high-powered rifles and could apparently have dispatched Fred a number of times during the chase. But they held their fire and let Fred suffer pain and fear for three long hours before Jamison finally succeeded in ending his misery.

Violating Ethics, If Not The Law

This is the true face of canned hunts. A tame animal, trapped inside a fenced pen, is shot multiple times over several hours. The publicity generated by the size of the pig—which might have been a world record had Fred actually been the wild boar he was advertised to be—and some outstanding investigative reporting by Bran Strickland, sports editor of the Anniston Star, lifted the curtain of secrecy in which canned hunts are shrouded and revealed what they really are: cruelty for cash, death for dollars. In Fred's death, as with all the victims of canned hunts, there was neither sport nor sportsmanship.

Last year, Alabama enacted legislation that bans the hunting of tame animals when victim does not have a reasonable chance to escape. Fred was tame, and he had no chance to escape at all. The HSUS asked the Alabama Department of Wildlife and Conservation to investigate what, based on the press reports, appears to be a clear violation of state law. It is certainly a violation of the hunters' code of ethics, fair chase and simple human decency.

Unfortunately, the agency would not act, because Fred was not a game animal—he was a pet. orchidhunter
 
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I always imagine one of those pony-ride style carousels and the big bad hunter guy standing 15 feet away with his 375 H&H, gruffly telling his "guide" that no; he's not gonna shoot the blind zebra, he's gonna wait for the three legged tiger to come back around.
 
+1 orchidhunter



Quote from freakintoguns:"Orchid, i look at it like this: you dont like it? dont do it. kinda like abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the thousands of other useless things people worry about, besides worrying about there GD selfs"

Easy to stick you head in the sand and not interact with the issues of life!:)
Easy, that is, until abortion, gay marriage is dropped at your feet by your children; having been indoctrinated/exposed to it at school. What's your answer to them, freakintoguns;"..you don't like it; don't do it"?

They are useless, unimportant issues; until they come knocking at your door.;)

My on topic question would be; How has canned hunts ( falsely reported or not) effected the participation in hunting itself? How many newcomers have been turned away by this type of activity?
 
The Hsus??!!

Orchid, you site the HSUS??!! Do you even realize they are the equivalent of PETA?? A rabid anti hunting "animal rights" organization, whole ultimate goal is to see all hunting, fishing, horeback riding, meat eating, rodeos, etc ended forver??

Even their name "the human society of the united states" is a lie, as they have no govt afiliation whatsoever.

Careful who you align yourself with; those guys despise us all and want to end what we love most!
 
flowerpicker

That was a saaaad story. I'm going right out to sell my guns and buy a violin. Then of course I'll donat the leftover money to PETA. I think you're looking in the wrong place for support.
 
What out and out dribble and lies. My lord. I can't believe someone on here actually bought into their line of crap. I have some tropical land in Canada to sell ya. Wow.
 
Canned hunts are way too expensive. While I love game animals, I'd find it very difficult to spend more money shooting an animal than buying a whole Kobi beef already butchered and wrapped.

The main ethical question is the clean humane kill. I suppose to a lesser degree you could question the ethics of calling an animal shot in such a hunt a "trophy" animal.

Barring those concerns I don't see canned hunts as much different to hunting over bait, or as I do on farms and orchards.

There is an argument to be made that canned hunts are more humane than hunting in the wild, because wounded animals don't escape only to suffer and die from their wounds.

To end where I started; there is a balance between hunting as a sport and hunting as a means to fill the freezer. Imho once you reach a point where shooting your own game cost more than a bunch of prime quality beef and the freezer to put it in, you're in goofy territory.
 
I really don't know much about this but I do think the canned hunts where the animal is shot in a cage or let out of a cage right under the hunter's nose is absolutely wrong. There needs to be some chance for failure for the hunter.

I also didn't know HSUS was as whacko as PETA, I probably could've guessed though.

I think there should be a minimum size on the enclosure a hunted animal may be kept in. Everything else is at the moral discretion of the hunter.
 
HIrlau

if my daughter gets knocked up and watns to havea abortion who am i to stop her? id rather her give the baby up for adioption of course, but in the end it is her choice and i support that 100% same with a gay child. they want to get married? fine so be it, get married. will i be haoppy with there lifestyle choice? hell no. will i be happy that they are happy and healthy? 100% absolutely yes. will i participate ina "canned hunt" no, not my cup of tea, will i look down on someone for doing it? nope sure wont. live and let live. people need to start doing that again. dont worry what others do, worry what you do. if that concept is to hard for you to do, then im sorry for you sir.
 
UGH

All I Know Is Ive Busted My A@@ For Years Setting Stands Looking At Sign And Sitting My Fat A@@ In The Cold Windy Rain To Finally This Year Get A 150" Mature Whitetail And I Wouldnt Trade It For Any 300" Non Typical Shot On Any Game Farm. Its More To Me Than Just Rack Size. And Any Healthy Man Who Goes To Shoot A "tied Up Or Tame" Animal For Any Other Reason Than To Feed His Family Is A Pu**y Who Doesnt Have The Balls To Go Do It The Real Way. That Being Said I Believe We All Have Different Morals And Ethics And If Someone Else Has The Desire To Do So Go For It. If You Dont Like It Work On Changing It Or Shut Up. I Feel There Is No Worse A Man Than One Who Tries To Force His Beliefs On Others By Slamming Theirs. But I Am In Agreement That At The Very Best Its A Pu**y Thing To Do
 
what's the minimum number of acres to define a canned hunt?


there are high fence ranches in Texas larger than many of the entire counties up north....


before people go around talking about "canned", let's define it.
 
TX Parks and Wildlife, a state agency, sponsors canned hunts on private lands. For a $10 entry fee, a hunter can enter a lottery to participate in a "Big Time Texas Hunt" on a hunting ranch. Offered are opportunities to kill deer, antelope, hogs, alligators and "varmints." TX Parks and Wildlife also receives funding through the Texas Parks and Wildlife Foundation, created to provide additional monies for the purchase of private ranches for use by TPW for public hunts.

Complete and utter malarky. TPWD does not engage in canned anything.
 
Minimum 1 acre, Maximum before I feel I am in the "woods" is 50-100 depending on density... If mainly open land... Anything under 300-400... I run hogs with dogs on places as small as 75-100 with several being 100-400 acres. I assure ya that some of those will strain your skills and if you were gun hunting, a slew of hogs will come and go and unless you are tuned in you will never know they had been there.
These are fenced for the most part but nothing more than 3-4 strand barbed wire that only slows my dogs and myself... not them dern hogs!
Brent
 
Which Ranch or WMA do you refer to as a purveyor of canned hunts?

2008 - 2009 Texas Big Time Hunt Providers

* Chaparral WMA – South Texas
* Brinlee Ranch - West Texas
* Bartush Land and Cattle – Northwest Texas
* Stasney's Cook Ranch – North Texas
* Cheyenne Traders, Inc. - South Texas
* B&B Outfitters – West Texas
* The Big Woods on the Trinity – East Texas
* High Lonesome Ranch – West Texas
* Caiman Ranch - South Texas
* Elephant Mountain WMA - West Texas
* Black Gap WMA - West Texas
* Sierra Diablo WMA - West Texas
* MacGuire Ranch - West Texas
* Cheyenne Traders, Inc. - South Texas
* Mason Mountain WMA - Central Texas
* J.D. Murphree WMA - Texas Gulf Coast
* Central Flyway Outfitters - Texas Gulf Coast
* Double Harvest Waterfowlers - East Texas
* Matador WMA – Texas Panhandle
* Lonestar Outfitters - Texas Panhandle
* Central Flyway Outfitters - Texas Gulf Coast
* Mesquite Grove Ranch - Rolling Plains
 
TP&WD bought the 106,000 acres of Black Gap from Hallie Stillwell over forty years ago. It's had the 17,000-acre Elephant Mountain tract for around thirty years. Neither tract has a high fence, and generally, nothing but the old original sheep/goat fencing that a deer crosses quite casually.

A lot of the East Texas tracts are in deals with timber company tracts, commonly some 3,000 to 4,000 acres of stuff thick enough to suit HogDog. :D Again, little or no internal fencing.

I don't know who's running HSUS, now. Used to be an old boy named Wayne Pacelles. He publicly stated he was out to end all hunting, and if he became successful, he'd then go after fishing. (Interview article, Sports Afield magazine, somewhere around 1990 or thereabouts.)
 
orchidhunter,
You have just been lowered on Life's Foodchain. You been labeled a "Flowerpicker":(

What has this world come to?:confused:

Don't give up; I'll pick flowers with you anytime;)

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What does "Fred the pig" have to do with anything? That story isn't even on topic for this thread!

Lessee, based on the thought process for that little vignette: There are 300 million people in the US, and one of them committed a murder. Therefore, all people of the US are murderers. One doofus killed a pet hog. Therefore all hunters are pet killing doofi. Wildlife officials said they had no authority, therefore all wildlife agencies condone pet killing.

Sorry, all I can say about that sort of illogic is, "That dog won't hunt."
 
JP Goodwin... Is one of the terrorists in the upper tier of HSUS...
http://www.hsus.org/about_us/board_and_staff/experts/experts/subject_experts_goodwin.html
http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/3364
http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsF03i.htm
http://en.wordpress.com/tag/jp-goodwin/
This sorry excuse of an oxygen to CO2 conversion device infiltrated a hog doggin forum me and some buddies got goin' He was actually logging in from HSUS internal server and his home. Both of which we got addresses for in some sleuthing. He was really trying to dig up scum on us even though we do not do illegal activities in regards to dogs and hunting. Then we find out about his back ground as a felon terrorist bomber!:eek:
HSUS has no connection to any "humane society" animal shelter and is fully responsible for this..
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2833
Underhanded just like PETA stealing hunting dogs...
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/03/dogcollar-case-against-worker-peta-dismissed
although dismissed they were busted red handed...
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3910.html
Don't drink their kool-aid! They are not the friend of any true outdoors men!
They want all domesticated animals turned loose to die a miserable suffering death!
Brent
 
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