armoredman
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I am voting for Fred.
His "position" doesn't seem to be based on conviction or principles.
Despite Giuliani's changing views, NRA chief Wayne LaPierre said: "All I know is, I liked what I heard today. It's a good thing, if a politician sees the light and supports the Second Amendment."
Thats the beauty of America, folks are never allowed to change their positions.
Giuliani, an outspoken proponent of gun control during his eight years as mayor, said Friday he agrees with a recent federal court ruling that overturned a 30-year-old ban on private ownership of handguns in Washington, D.C.
I didn't say he couldn't be effective. I'm just saying I don't trust him to not change his position after election, and then effectively pursue his new position.Principles and effectiveness are mutually exclusive.
Y'know just once I'd like to hear one of these guys actually say why the second amendment is important, why it's a basic liberty that needs to be protected. Just once I'd like to hear them actually say "guns in your hands are important to keep guys like us in check."
The gun control debate generally ignores the historical and philosophical underpinnings of the Second amendment. The Second amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny. The Founders knew that unarmed citizens would never be able to overthrow a tyrannical government as they did. They envisioned government as a servant, not a master, of the American people. The muskets they used against the British Army were the assault rifles of that time. It is practical, rather than alarmist, to understand that unarmed citizens cannot be secure in their freedoms.
I'm wondering what Rudy means when he says we must prove a need for a handgun before purchasing one.
And to simplify it further, it'll be just like NYC was under his tenure. Movie stars, VIPs, big-name investors, politicians and the like could get a CCW, but the average citizen "didn't need one"
Furthermore, while technically a "may issue" state (and one of the first to issue in the US), NY State is relatively painless in getting a permit outside NYC.