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[Brit]

One goes up a nostril! Thought was, fumbling to get them inserted, might drop one? Or I just ended up with two packs, lost one.

Who knows.

 

[Theohazard]

But in a self defense situation you will not know if you are going to be stationary until the situation is over.
In other words, you just can't plan to be stationary.
Self defense situations are fluid, dynamic.

Which is why there is a place for both a handgun AND a rifle for home defense. I have both in my bedroom and I can use either as needed.

And would this group of people really give you ample warning and time to retrieve your rifle, and then wait together on the front porch while one or two of them try to break down your front door?
This is pure fantasy.

Really? The funny thing is that of all my scenarios here, this is the only one that has actually happened to me. Except in this case our door was too strong and they couldn't break it down, so after a while they went away.

And how did your entire family find themselves barricaded in the master bedroom?
A criminal broke in to your home and your family instantly all ran to the master bedroom where you, with your rifle, were waiting to defend them?

Did you read my next example?

How exactly are you going to "gather your family in the middle of the night" without going room to room?
BTW, you should call the cops first.
That way, at least help is on the way regardless of whatever else transpires.
Otherwise you might get killed while trying to gather your family or while trying to retreat to the safe room, and a 911 call may never be made.
Call 911 first.

Grabbing my kids from the next room is a lot different than clearing my whole house looking for bad guys. And the first thing I'm doing is checking on my kids, I'm not going to spend precious minutes calling 911 until I know my kids are safe. If my wife calls 911, that's ideal, but I have priorities. I've had the cops take well over an hour to arrive on several occasions: I'm the first line of defense for my family, not the police.

More terminally effective?
Maybe, and maybe not.
From Vietnam to the present plenty of folks have taken multiple hits from a AR type of weapon and lived to tell the tale.
It's a good rifle system, but not really that impressive from a self defense stand point.

This is true, but that doesn't mean it's less effective than a handgun. With the right ammo a .223/5.56 is FAR more effective than any self-defense handgun round. That's really not debatable.

Penetrate less through walls?
Maybe, and maybe not.

With good self-defense ammo (ballistic-tipped hollow points) it will almost always penetrate less through walls. Look up some videos on YouTube or even try it yourself.

Easier to shoot fast and accurately?
Not necessarily.
Especially when being fired inside a home and possibly with one hand.

You're right: "not necessarily". But under most circumstances and for most people, a rifle is much easier to shoot fast and accurately. And, depending on your training, experience, and rife weight, it can be pretty easy to shoot one-handed too (but I agree it's not as easy to shoot one-handed as a handgun).

I was a soldier for six years and I am definitely familiar with the AR type rifle, and for in home self defense it is just not that great.

I was in the Marine Corps infantry for four years. I am extremely experienced, familiar, and effective with a AR-15. I'm well aware of its strengths and weaknesses, and I'm also aware that my role as a home protector is different than my role as Marine. And an AR-15 makes almost as good of a defensive weapon for me as it did as an offensive weapon.

Gary, the tone of your post seems to be implying that I'm saying a rifle should replace a handgun for home defense. I'm not saying that at all. I'm simply saying that both have their place inside the home.

 

[pandafp]

Takes police an hour to come in an emergency situation you must be living in the Detroit area.

Whatever is being used is certainly better than a sharp stick and if in ones situation it is found that a handgun or rifle is more suitable than so be it. Arguments and hypothetical situations can be made for both sides in this case in which it is better to let that persons personal experience and comfortably guide which is that person's ideal choice for such situation(s). In my situation a rifle wouldn't be that well suited as i live in an apartment and the mobility of the rifle/shotgun is an issue so i just leave it in my bedroom in case, like mentioned, someone comes in while me and my fiance are in the bedroom waiting, i have the shotgun ready to go. I carry around the handgun everywhere to add to Garys points. If i was in a place where such a retreat could be made then again my stance would change as far as which is more ideal but for the current situation the handgun is the most ideal for me.

As far as calling 911 first that is going to most likely be made on the spot. Ideally i would just dial the numbers and hit call and just leave my end null of talking if i the situation calls for immediate action on my part such as if i had kids and went to secure them.

 

[Theohazard]

Takes police an hour to come in an emergency situation you must be living in the Detroit area.

I grew up in Washington, DC. Not being allowed to own guns AND having the police take anywhere from a half-hour to over an hour to respond to a distress call is a great combo. But that's what happened to my family on several occasions when I was a kid.

And once living in San Antonio my wife called 911 after our neighbor's front door was kicked in (it was the middle of the day and I was at work). After calling a second time, the police finally arrived a hour after the first call.

That's my experience with calling the police. I hope it's not typical, but it's what I got used to.

And I'm definitely going to call 911 at the first opportunity I get, but if my kids might be in danger I'm going to check on them first.

In my situation a rifle wouldn't be that well suited as i live in an apartment and the mobility of the rifle/shotgun is an issue so i just leave it in my bedroom in case, like mentioned, someone comes in while me and my fiance are in the bedroom waiting, i have the shotgun ready to go. I carry around the handgun everywhere to add to Garys points.

Exactly. Each weapon has its own strength and weaknesses; each can be a good option depending on the situation.

 

[pandafp]

It's typical here in Detroit as well. Lucky for police to come if you have found a body on the side of the road or if there is a shootout in the yard of an apartment complex.

 

[Al Thompson]

I don't see long guns and short guns being mutually exclusive, more as complimenting each other.

I think it was Mr. Ayoob who first demonstrated the utility of the long gun being the "defensive position" (forted up in bedroom) firearm of choice, while the handgun is better suited for the "scout" mission, retrieving the children, etc., etc.

 

[FireForged]

Nope.


Are you going to carry that AK room to room as you carry out your daily activities?

Are you going to have that AK by your side when you answer the door bell?

Are you going to have that AK with you while you're sitting on the front porch or on the back deck?

Are you going to have that AK with you when you go to use the toilet?

Are you going to have that AK with you when you're making a sandwich in the kitchen?

Are you going to have that AK with you while you're working on your car in the garage?

Are you going to carry that AK while you're checking your mail box or while you're walking your dog?

Are you going to carry that AK while you're mowing the lawn or weeding the flower beds?

Are you going to have that AK beside you while you grill a steak on the BBQ?

Are you going to have that AK with you while you clean the swimming pool?

Etc....

If we are talking about [at home] then the availability of a firearm is what is paramount. You do not necessarily have to carry a firearm on you or at arms length 24/7 in order to survive a criminal attack [at home]. Certainly choosing a home defense weapon based primarily on what you can carry 24/7 while at home is very short sighted. People routinely defend themselves [at home] with a firearm that they retrieved at the onset of a violent occurrence.

 

[Al Thompson]

People routinely defend themselves [at home] with a firearm that they retrieved at the onset of a violent occurrence.

Completely true, but wouldn't you agree it's sub-optimal? I got stuck at one end of my house thinking someone was about to kick my back door and my HD firearm was at the other end of the house. Not a very comfortable feeling!

 

[Model12Win]

As for the OP... you are really going to pick what you're going to choose for home defense based on how much the guns were able to move around a jug of water? You really need to do some more research before coming to the conclusion "the AK-47 must be best for home defense" you just made. You have much to learn.

 

[Brit]

The main point, in an attack, coming through the door, 1 minute, 2? You have to respond, with ability to use deadly force, in one to 2 minutes! PERIOD!

All the rest is crap! Rifle/Shotgun/Subgun? Where are they? These weapons? In you arms? Leaned against the wall? Under the bed?

One to 2 minutes!

If it is not on your belt, you ain't armed!

And you need a bunch of rounds, why? better still, why not!

 

[FireForged]

If a person can make entry to your home in less time than it takes for you to retrieve a shotgun from the closet or pistol from a nightstand, you need much better doors and windows. I am not going to walk around my home with a firearm waiting on the day that ninjas spring through picture window in the den. I don't live that way and if that is the only way I can reasonable feel safe, then I will move. I have 1 shotgun loaded and ready in the bedroom closet and a loaded 357 in the nightstand. Is that the most "perfect" set of circumstance?..nope but its how I live and I wont allow the potential threat that ninja airbenders pose- to change the way I live.

I live in a smallish 2500sqft rancher and can easily get up from my easy chair, set my glass down, walk to the bedroom and come back with a loaded shotgun in less than 1 minute. (heck, I just timed it... a whole casual 36 seconds) 10 seconds if I run, 5 seconds to actually get my hands on the weapon at a run. My available firearms will have to be good enough simply because that's how it is.

 

[Brit]

FireForged, in giving my view, it was just for me, what I do. If I am dressed, I have a Glock and a Cell phone. An old plaid robe has the same goods!

Bedside table, the same.

Not to difficult really. I live in a great development, 133 town homes, same way in, as out.

Not expecting a home invasion, but they have happened. Am I worried? No.
Plus I do not advocate long guns, any, in the house. But to each his own.

 

[MLeake]

FireForged, that is well and good, unless you are in the living room and the break-in happens via your bedroom window....

 

[FireForged]

FireForged, that is well and good, unless you are in the living room and the break-in happens via your bedroom window....

It is well and good, it means I wont have to run back to the living room. I really feel sorry for someone who is going to break 2 panes of glass and try to hurry through uninjured in 5 seconds. I will have my hands on a shotgun in that time. But, yes.. no plan is perfect and the reality is that you cant plan for everything.

 

[MLeake]

And because I can't plan (for the random intentions of theoretical bad guys), the handgun on my person beats the shotgun and rifles in my safe.

 

[kgpcr]

I have a .45 with 14rnds in the mag within 10 seconds max of where I am at any time. I have my AR within 15 seconds at any given time. that is all I need. I am not paranoid and don't worry about a platoon of zombies attacking.

 

[FireForged]

I agree with KGpcr

 

[Dragger34]

Couldn't help but notice more criminals are wearing body armor. Seen 3 cases in the past few months.

I'm not trying to score AP rounds, but capacity is potentially becoming more important. Could see an AK/AR in my future...

 

[peacefulgary]

FireForged:
If a person can make entry to your home in less time than it takes for you to retrieve a shotgun from the closet or pistol from a nightstand, you need much better doors and windows.

This demonstrates another problem with the long guns over the handguns....

When folks go out, like to the store to get groceries or such, do they take their long guns with them?

I'm betting that most folks don't.


And if someone breaks in to their home while they are out, do you think the criminal will not find that shotgun in the closet?

And then the home owner comes home, now there is someone waiting inside their home who is now armed with a shotgun.


But one can take the handgun with them, leaving no weapons behind for a burglar to find.

Rifles and shotguns are certainly not useless.
It's just that handguns are more practical.

 

[Brit]

Burglaries are where guns are stolen, a lot.

Have a good safe for guns left behind! Carry pistol, carried.